Just gameplay, IIRC all US missiles that have solid state electronics should be extremely hard, if not impossible, to flare off if you stay on the afterburner from rear aspect.
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and now gajin is laughing in our faces saying rb74m is 9m
It should be smoky and german 9L/i
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All later production AIM-9L utilized reduced smoke motors IRL
Were they ever exported in that config?
Sweden is an additional producer of the Mk36 motors and the AMRAAM motors and since the propellant sections are interchangeable (Mk36 mods, not Mk36 and AMRAAM) during maintenance they simply stopped producing the high smoke motors after some time.
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No, the reduced smoke motor was not used in either the AIM-9L/I or AIM-9L/I-1.
They used Mk.36 Mod 8 and Mod 10 motors. Current implementation is incorrect.
The AIM-9M Sidewinder missile can be fitted with the following rocket motors: Mk 36 Mod 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11; Mod 9 and 11 motors are filled with a reduced smoke propellant (X-61).
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Is that report internally still there? I remember hitting a brick wall with swedish side of sources and not being able to identify anything other then missiles coming from diehl
There is internal report, and it was for AIM-9L/I-1 and RB 74(M).
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I was responding in regards to the RB-74M
Additionally, the fitment of the Mod 7 through 11 motor on the AIM-9M indicates as I said that the motors are swappable. Any AIM-9L variant can use any motor combination. The only issue is that there are a few specific reduced smoke motors which vary mostly in what pylons can mount the motor casing. Mod 9 and 11 otherwise are the same.
Sweden only produces reduced smoke propellant it would be inappropriate to assume the RB-74(M) uses the older modifications of the propellant still unless they have not reached their shelf life yet. On that same note, I think I saw a picture of a Harrier being loaded with an AIM-120B in 2022 which was thought to be beyond the shelf life of those missiles.
This is a brochure from 2014. Also, in a video uploaded 5 months ago, you can see that the AIM-9L/I or AIM-9L/I-1 is using a Mk.36 Mod 10 motor.
Spoiler
It appears that they did not have access to the smokeless Mk.36 Mod 9 and Mod 11.
And, I have not seen any sources so far that Sweden and Germany produced reduced smoke motors, all sources show that they only used high smoke motors.
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Yes but it was shown the motors can be swapped. They have no mounting or usage differences in regards to how the missile is assembled. The only changes between mods are the propellant type and the modifications to the hanger for use on specific pylons.
If Gaijin can give Su-27SM the dual R-77 pylons that it could never carry irl they can certainly give all AIM-9 w/ IRCCM a reduced smoke motor.
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similarly all the pictures (including bundeswehr.de) show either mod 8 (EUR) or mod 10 like in video
the biggest problem is gajin added them and now we have to prove the negative
The 9L/i-1 should have its smokeless motor removed per historical accuracy, but gaijin should be consistent with said nerf hammer, and they most definitly are not at the moment, nor have they ever really been tbh.
It will not be, in this case AIM-9L/I-1 will be changed to AIM-9M.
Also, if there is evidence that the dual R-77 pylons on the Su-27SM are mechanically unusable, the developers will remove them.
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How about changing it to a smoke motor but giving it the better seeker with improved IRCCM?
There was no evidence to suggest it COULD use them either, there are only photos of the Su-35 with these pylons for good reason. If you look at the dimensions of the fighters IRL, the Su-27SM physically cannot even fit the rack proper. Even in-game it looks silly, the missile would simply hit things during ejection.
That would be more fictional than it is currently. What they need to do is not improve the IRCCM, but the tracking ability of the seeker in the first place. AIM-9L should not decoy to flares when following an afterburner target from any direction.
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How is changing the L/i-1 to a smoke motor but improving the IRCCM fictional?
They are seemingly replacing 9L/i-1 with 9M on dev
So now for gripens to be made right
We do not have documentation to show how the IRCCM on L/i-1 works I think and the basic underlying seeker is heavily underperforming. The AIM-9L when tracking a MiG-23 or Phantom will NOT decoy towards flares, even in head-on conditions, if the target is afterburning IRL. Gaijin has chosen to make IR seekers and systems in the game underperform considerably as a gameplay decision.
What they should do is just fix IR systems, make missiles like AIM-9G lock in all aspect and be un-flare-able if the target is still afterburning. This of course may need a rebalance of the entire game but that is their own doing.
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I found some interesting documents regarding Aim9x. Supposedly in 2019 and 2020, the Navy requested funding to possibly integrate some of the aim9x block three features including a new motor into Current block 2 Aim9x making it like a block2 plus I was wondering if anyone had more information about this.
