I mean, if the AF detection ranges were increased it would also help with flare resistance, would it not?
Might make some difference but it’s more the seeker will break lock on a afterburner plume even at close range to an IRD.
Wait, doesn’t WT take the ratio of the target heat signature (combines the engine, fuselage, and burner plume) to the flare heat signature to calculate whether the flare decoys the missile or not?
From what I can gather, no.
IR signature is based on engine temp only.
IR signatures need a huge rework if so.
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Another curse of the 9L.
Rarely ever re locks an enemy after popping a flare.
But you lock an enemy, and fire, but then a friendly aircraft flies near your Lima?
You bet your butt that 9L switches targets.
In testing it re-locks quite often unless focused on the flare for sufficient period of time that target is no longer in FoV after it passes flare…
Although I know there is a testable and verifiable issue with missiles performing worse over time as a live match continues for some reason.
Will have to specifically say in the 10.7 bracket.
My 9Ls do re-lock F16s & MiG29s easily when im in custom matches in the Sea harrier, but live matches in and around its BR, i rarely get re locks.
It is known and acknowledged that AIM-9L should have more flare resistance, and likely be more inclined to chase the exhaust but I think that’s more of an issue in how they model flares rn. I’m inclined to believe they will overhaul flares in general pretty soon.
Is it realistic that the AIM-9M goes for other missiles when already locked onto a plane? I have had this happen a few times now.
Every missile does this, its pretty absurd. 1-2x afterburning jet engines (and the jet they’re attached to) almost certainly emit more IR than some < 8 inch diameter rocket motor
iirc there was some recommendation to fire an IR missile at incoming IR missiles as a direct counter to not having countermeasures or something. Not sure if I remember currently. Perhaps @Flame2512 or @Gunjob have the necessary reference.
well something like an IRIS-T has the maneuvering necessary to intercept an incoming missile.
Even something like an R27T can do so in-game, though probably by triggering the proxy fuze rather than actually hitting it.
Was rather implying that it’s useful as a counter-countermeasure in head-ons.
oh, maybe for early all-aspects, but I doubt it for later missiles. Just a worse flare at that point
Maybe at the same time they seperate flares and chaff. But I think what it really needs is an overhaul of aircraft heat signatures as well. I dont think the game simulates AB plumes, and still just looks at the engine temp of the aircraft. This means a reheating F-5 is colder than non-max thrust harrier at times.
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I understand other missiles doing it, but why is the 9M doing it? Shouldn’t it treat the missile’s rocket engine being in the FOV as if it were a flare and suspending tracking? How does the 9M determine if a flare is present in the first place? Does do so when the infrared return suddenly jumps? Does it maybe see that the emissions changed in the spectrum? Some other principle?
The flare stops in the air rather suddenly, which is generally how it determines a flare has appeared. The missile would just appear to be the aircraft further maneuvering or rapidly changing direction I would think.
On missiles like the Magic 2 (It’s supposed to have flare decoy rejection as well)… it has multiple elements which allow it to ascertain that there has been a sudden rise in a portion of the IR band that is not similar to the target. In the case that it blinds the seeker enough that it cannot see the target, it continues towards targets predicted position and stops track momentarily similar to AIM-9M.
Since the AIM-9M has no multi-element seeker or reduction in FoV it is more susceptible to such things.
Yeah I haven’t got it to hand right now but that was a suggested counter for an IR missile when you’re lacking any IRDs
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Yep, which is why i went digging and found that the F5 J85 engine temperatures in game are modelled quite low.
and that doesnt take into account that afterburner plume isnt modelled.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/XA4uTA29qiaR
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