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yeah, i pointed out to you what was said in the document and asked if that is good dogfight performance to you and you couldnt answer
no, we dont consider that good performance even if someone who is talking on behalf of his business thinks so.
Dogfight this, dogfight that…
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The Sparrow’s minimum range is ~3200ft. or 0.9km. The Aim-54s would be ~1.8km. That’s not very far at all for a long-range missile. Perfectly capable within 9km.
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He has seen Top Gun, he knows dogfight means that you are too close for missiles and that you must switch to guns! Stop messing with him man… XD
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we had another person say 4-5nm so either of you is incorrect
additionally minimum range doesnt mean range of maximum maneuverability. you wont kill a competetive pilot at the minimum range of aim-54.
if you think that the aim-54 is good in dogfights with the “minimum range of 1.8km” and missile aerodynamically capable of reaching a target at 9km then go use it in dogfights. the reality is that the missile can reach this point in distance but its literally a brick. since the person talking in the document considers proximity fuzes a “great dogfight thing” (its just a basic requirement in modern missiles for any engagement) and “big warhead” another great dogfight thing despite smaller warheads like aim9 being sufficient almost always, i understand why he is saying that the phoenix is also great at dogfights if it can reach a point in distance at 9km. im sure that is great maneuverability.
again, if you agree with him that the phoenix is very maneuverable despite being a brick at those distances due to missile mass and motor impulse over the period of tens of seconds of burntime then go use it. im sure youll do great with it and totally not end up getting killed.
see i think we have a bit different idea of high maneuverability here, i consider a missile to have good dogfight maneuverability if it can hit maneuvering fighter targets at 1-10km (radar missiles context)
while your ideas of great maneuverability is just reaching an unmaneuverable target
We know it’s 3242ft (.53Nmi / ~1km) for the -7E-2 for targets at more than 1Nmi at launch, and it covers that distance in about 3.15 seconds.
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I am doing and have done pretty nicely with the phoenix, despite being a flying fridge. So Thank you very much!
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Thanks for that
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awesome youre doing great in dogfights with the phoenix. ill stick to the aim-7 and aim-9 though. have fun!
even if the minimum engagement range of phoenix was the same as 7e2 it wouldnt be maneuverable at the minimum engagement range
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Imagine if it could do the 25 G… But anyways, im done arguing with a troll. Already spammed enough nonsense
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if you consider killing a noob in rear aspect at 30sec of flight time good dogfight performance then alright
now hop into your f-14 and take a phoenix and kill me with it in a dogfight. lets see how it performs against someone not so dumb
Probably already have, now go away…
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(Ignoring the post-release, Pre-track “English Bias” Maneuver that Sparrows should perform, but isn’t implemented in game)
It would be more so, as both are Electronically limited to 25G, and so the reduced acceleration, and the lower resultant velocity allows for a Smaller radius of turn at maximum deflection. So it depends on the scenario in question. As the much larger proximity Fuse & Warhead means it should need to do less anyway.
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people were literally mad at the aim-54 underperforming in the game but then agreed that the aim-54 has the capability stated in the document as “good dogfight performance”
except dodging an aim-54 going mach 1 coming from front that is launched from 10km at surface level isnt hard despite your theory.
people really think aim-54 gonna be pulling 25g’s at mach 1 . @tripod2008 give me some speed and maneuverability examples of aim-54 at mach 1 and below mach 1
Im not incorrect.
Something something moving goalposts once I prove you wrong. No shit bro.
They did. See here:
Dual Plane 25G maneuvering within 9km.
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you didnt prove me wrong i was using the number of the person who sent the document which is giving benefit of doubt for your side of argument
10 seconds of going straight. we can model an aim-54 that goes straight for 10 seconds and then use this at sea level. if the target starts maneuvering right away youre not going to be pulling anything off.
or we can simply try the current aim-54 at sea level where it starts maneuvering right away, isnt able to accelerate due to drag too and is a complete brick
considering the angle of recording and looking at the tail of the aim54 that didnt even seem to maneuver that hard
in the video it appears that the target wasnt even changing directions until the missile had accelerated for 10 seconds which would only happen in a match against blind pilots.
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