i think it does, as you can see , explosions go around and not forward , which means the head is not explosive but solid .
you can see such effects on HEAT warheads also
this is also another one :
video is timed , i don’t mean the vampire system here
Directional warhead not in the same way as a HEAT warhead.
If you read the claim, the blast cone is directed towards the target.
This is the patent for it from the looks of it:
Fits the approximate timeframe, the company, and supports the claim.
the concept is the same ,
maximize force on a single or multiple projectile to maximize the damage of said projectile
Kinda? HEAT warheads use a blast wave to form a shaped charge penetrator with a very directional effect.
Directional Warhead just concentrates the blast cone towards an Area, likely so as to improve range and concentrate damage.
Now I need to find definite proof linking the WDU-29 to the claim and the patent. Cuz god knows gaijin wont accept anything less than a signed letter from the CEO of Raytheon, the lead Engineer of the AIM-54, and both Vladimir Putin and the President of the United States before they consider implementing this, and even then, there’s a good to fair chance they call them all idiots and claim the warhead is filled with marshmallows
Re-watching the vid I think it’s quite clear it is no different than the AIM-54A style.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/955829235493273680/1159903229912551534/Top_Guns__The_Documentary_7-45_screenshot.png?ex=6532b70f&is=6520420f&hm=c2bbd9d5df1471277d71e52f22e62355fabfe36914d893443c461556ca037d2a&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/955829235493273680/1159903485697990767/Top_Guns__The_Documentary_7-46_screenshot.png?ex=6532b74c&is=6520424c&hm=a5c4b9768080da318ece454ce31a71f761ef860c4d3e0d5a14f6161532cfda2c&
AIM-54C entered service in the early 80s, that patent is in the 90s. If they were just discovering this at that time, it is highly unlikely it was applied to the AIM-54C since 1984.
I do also think the fact that the person claiming to be an ex AIM-54 test and development engineer stated the WDU-29 is a directional warhead, despite this being (afaik) not written anywhere obvious, is a very good sign regarding this persons claimed experience with the missile and credibility.
This is hyper specific info about an obscure subsection of a relatively rare, and still largely classified missile, that happens to line up with a patent from the correct company around the correct time period?
Seems like more than a simple coincidence to me
Clearly not a directional warhead as seen in test footage.
The patent and documentation is almost 10 years after the missile was in service.
This is why your complaints are not being taken seriously.
you can not see the effect , as the solids with speeds of Mach what-ever or faster can not be seen with human eyes , specially from a 360i VHS video
You just claimed to have seen the effect? In any case, the blast is apparently not being focused in any specific direction. What happens if the contact fuse is set off? Does it focus the blast forwards or does it do blast-fragmentation as expected of earlier models?
There is nothing to go off of here, and his own evidence seems to discredit the claim and shows us they would not have applied this technology to the production missile made a decade earlier than the patent.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/955829235493273680/1159906002502680606/Gruman_F-14_Tomcat_Phoenix_Missile_Test_Six_on_Six_Awesome_Multiple_Missile_Launches_1-39_screenshot.png?ex=6532b9a5&is=652044a5&hm=3fe201e7bd497bd4d3ba9c37e98a8cdeee20bf6e34a6f9152333fa594a457001&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/955829235493273680/1159906002150379550/Gruman_F-14_Tomcat_Phoenix_Missile_Test_Six_on_Six_Awesome_Multiple_Missile_Launches_1-39_screenshot_1.png?ex=6532b9a4&is=652044a4&hm=b53e0c8aeca809787273039207cbbbcb5611f9445fd67a5f050a6c92ec64267d&
I think what you are seeing is just the fact that the missile was traveling in the direction it was going at a high rate of speed and the cone of the “focused blast” is actually just the result of it’s momentum and motion. Nothing more. Above is AIM-54A.
Man, this WDU-29 warhead things pretty annoying lol. I can get a quote for it (tho ill get denied), but the quote page doesn’t have the info I want/need lmao.
Is someone arguing the WDU-29 isn’t directional because of old video footage???
The patent is pretty clear: “The missile contains circuitry to determine the direction of a target relative to the missile and to selectively detonate directing charges to force the blast from the warhead towards the target.”
All test footage I’ve seen of the AIM-54C are direct hits, there wouldn’t be any need to direct the explosion in a specific direction if its a direct impact…
The claim of a directional charge not only roughly lines up with the patent, company, and rough timeframe (I have a sneaking suspicion the US military wouldn’t bother filing a patent regarding the capabilities of one of their missiles until a few years later at the very least, since that’d be like announcing the results of classified developments publicly), and also lines up with a few claims I’ve seen regarding the WDU-29 being “more effective” than the Mk82, which has a higher filler weight btw.
It was always a bit of a headscratcher for me, seeing the AIM-54 get a new warhead that offered no weight reduction, and a lower filler weight, but claimed “higher performance”. This seems to solve that mystery.
Using crappy old video footage of a 54C impacting a target despite the fact that;
Its pretty embarrassing tbh
The explosive mass in both Mk82 and WDU-29 is designed to expand the continuous rod warheads. There is no focusing of the blast towards a specific zone.
Im guessing the AIM-54C ingame is one with a mk60 motor which is why it doesnt have the reduced smoke, maybe the approach for a reduced smoke motor should be a suggestion rather than bug reports
Only 150 Mk-60 motors were ever produced, it is unlikely that the AIM-54C used them. If it did, it was not for very long since their production ceased prior to the AIM-54C’s introduction. All “new” AIM-54C’s would have been built with the Mk 47 mod 1. AIM-54A’s upgraded to the AIM-54C standard could have been fielded with the Mk60.
Both the Aerojet Mk 60 and the Rocketdyne Mk 47 mod 1 are reduced smoke motors using HTPB according to (yet again) the claimed AIM-54 test and development engineer.
I’ll check if I can confirm this anywhere else.
Also, this supports my earlier claim regarding the formation of HCl contrails from this type of propellant:
And this graph:
So its actually irrelevant which motor gaijin claims it has, they’re both low smoke motors.
The bottom line is that the Aim-54C or A isnt reaching its actual max speed at extremely idela conditions. Plus the fact that we have russian sympathizers in this chat that think its completely ok for the R-27ER to be better.
I dont mind if the R-27ER has its advantages. I’m sure it does have some, and am in no way surprised to see it out accelerate and outpull the AIM-54C. It likely even out speeds it at most lower alt, lower speed, lower range launches where the 54C doesn’t get to utilize its trajectory shaping to the fullest.
My problem is there there is a relatively large wealth of sources out there, all either outright stating, or strongly alluding to the fact that the AIM-54C is underperforming in (now that we can throw in the WGU-29 as likely underperforming) effectively ALL categories, and yet were being strung along by gaijin, pretending all this info is wrong and gaijin totally has everything right and the AIM-54C is a “bad” missile.
Hell, K_Stepanovich even brought up the idiotic myth of the AIM-54 being only for “bomber sized targets” despite dozens of sources, and the VAST majority of actual AIM-54 kills being against FIGHTER targets.
We have proven the MK47 mod 0 and MK60 are equivalent motors with differences only in grain patterns. Both use CTPB… so no. The alleged test engineer is a fake and is making stuff up in whatever source you’re citing.
According to Orbital ATK the Mk60 was a CTPB based motor functionally equivalent to the Mk47 mod 0.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078877088087552102/1159916527064191077/image.png?ex=6532c372&is=65204e72&hm=98747b526ef63337604562e1bdb757e9b61b6fb7e973b40250f85a609da33393&
There goes any credibility the AIM-54 test engineer allegedly had.
How did you measure the maximum speed if there are no parameters coming from the rockets
Yeah i mean it was “designed” for high alt nuclear bombers. BUT during the iran iraq war, iran demonstrated the extreme capability of the Aim-54 and how its extremely lethal against a mig-21 or that size target
