That doesn’t matter in WT.
Nothing comes even close to 2.6s of reload speed.
It really is busted to all hell, there’s no sugarcoating.
Nah really ik their no historical match making my point once again is that it can go up against heavy tank
turms 3, raketenautomat And other tanks
Apparently it shouldn’t.
5s of reload is still almost double to what T58 has.
Other tanks have much worse reloads.
Huh wdym
raketenautomat Has 0.5 sec reload, turms 3 does have a 5 sec reload but it also has 30mm auto cannon that can take out barrels. t58 like I proved before aiming at the gun barrel would disable the t58 long enough for it to be killed and if you got heat rounds or a apds round you can disable the gun breach and take out two crew members witch makes the repair time even longer not to mention the t58 dosent even have smokes to retreat if their was two t58 next to each other it is deadly but so is any two tanks next to other with fast firing and not just copeing for a single shot to kill a tank in general honestly just treat the t58 like a tiger 2 like when it was in 6.7 disable it then go for the kill shot
8.7 yes not 9.0 hopefully it would be way way to much for what the 9.0 capabilities without giving the t58 a artificial buff
Turm III shouldn’t be at 8.3 to begin with either.
T58 on it’s own is extremely deadly, as proven by the stats.
Not really, it moving to 9.0 should be a precautionary measure and I’d bet it’d do just fine there.
That’s stupid to say because just look at the bmpt it only got moved up one br even tho that thing has top tier armor
Because their people who don’t know how to take it out
1/2 the tanks at 8.3 don’t have stabs.
90%+ tanks at 8.3 don’t have lrf.
Most tanks at 8.3 don’t have apfsds, and lets not kid ourselves that apds is any better than HEATFS.
Comparable or better mobility to most tanks around that br who have similar armor.
ah yes, because silhouette is what we are balancing on?
Compare to Chieftan Mk3/5. it has 50% more armor, far better firepower, similar mobility, all in exchange for a stab? Stabs are important, but when your ‘flubbed shot’ is reloaded before the opposing tank can rotate their turret to you, its rather significantly mitigated. Literally nothing around the entire br range has comparable firepower in an urban environment. And 2/3 of the maps have urban areas at this point.
BMPT got moved up a whole BR while having similar stats to T58, so 9.0 looks to be a great place to start.
Armor isn’t the only thing important on a tank as well.
It isn’t just the armor, it’s the fact an aware T58 can’t be peeked at all.
Most tanks have one or more. T58 has none.
A heavy tank has heavy tank mobility . . . is something surprising about that?
Nice strawman. No one said we should balance on silhouette alone. I just said that having a big silhouette is worse than a small one.
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Most tanks don’t have a 2.6s reload, which is kind of the entire point of this thread. A reload that fast with a 155mm is better an any of the above, and the stats show that without any doubt. Everyone knows where to shoot it, its just the turret weak points are tiny on a tank that punishes ANY mistake. Its the 2nd highest kdr non-event vehicle in the game after the bmpt. And its been sitting at that height for months.
And most engagements don’t last past the first shot.
The stats disprove that opinion pretty definitively. How many times have french autoloaders been upteired now? AMX 50-100 and batchat were 7.0 at one point.
They definitely don’t when T58 is involved as it’ll nuke you before you even show yourself.
Also, WT isn’t a game of 1v1s.
next time I see someone complain about a Hull-down BMPT I will tell them to just aim for the hull, I appreciate your wisdom bringing me this revelation.
He’s just being disingenuous while defending a brokenly OP vehicle he’s using.
His stats in it are much better than with other vehicles he used for reasons.
The type of the player that’ll scream RU bias from the top of it’s lungs but will defend egregiously OP vehicles from other nations.
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No aware tank can be peeked at
It really isn’t without giving it a artificial buff
Side scraping exists.
It doesn’t need one to go to 9.0.
And so does shooting at the track to stop side scraping and not to mention big aphe rounds
It would all 9.0 vehicles have a good stab that are better then the ones found in 8.3 and auto rangefinder and a lot more apfds fighting thing with a lot better mobility and accuracy for long distance engagements