If your understanding of the game is limited to “drive around and shoot tanks” I’m sorry but you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Not a complex game dude
+1 reviving this thread
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If this tank is to be implemented into the game it should go to some type of an Arab faction. Or it could go to Yugoslavia as it was the very first T-72 they got.
It is unfortunate it was not implemented for the USSR. However, I think we already have a T-72 prototype in the tree.
The T-72 Ural wouldn’t technically go to any other nations is the thing, in terms of early export T-72’s they were just called T-72 though the overall difference would be minor between the Ural and the two export models since the main differences would serve no difference in terms of gameplay, and well given that this suggestion isn’t about any the export vehicles so yeah, that would be can described as yes but no…
Also, no we don’t have any T-72 prototype in the game as the T-72 itself stemmed directly from the T-64 (not counting any past projects which influenced the T-72 as they weren’t prototypes for the T-72) as it was originally based off it as the whole idea was to make an easier to produce tank, leading to design changes with the prototype that would lead to the T-72 being the Object 172.
So what is the difference between the Ural and the early export T-72s? Because, I’ve seen a few in the Middle East that physically look identical. Including the flaps, the range finder etc. The Yugoslav one as well.
And yes my mistake, I was thinking about Object 140.
The main difference between them is the nbc system as the ones on the export models that werent for the warsaw pact had less capable nbc systems and they lacked the ability to use mine plows like the ural from what I can find. It’s something that a lot of Soviet vehicles were like irl, they were at best slightly inferior, but they were always downgraded or they would refuse to export the best version (such as the Mig-23MLD or T-64) since if you weren’t warsaw pact than they would have gotten something even more downgraded, and also the differences are always internal so you can’t just always tell at a glance without some dead giveaways such as a roundel that gives away it wasn’t Soviet. It’s also why they have different designations as the T-72 Ural is the Object 172M while the warsaw pact T-72 is the 172M-E and the non warsaw pact was the 172M-E1. Also, Yugoslavia got the export model as well, but it was the warsaw pact model.
Sir are you by chance drunk and or lost, I aint talking about the T-90M nor even discussing the actual vehicle in question is good or bad, though I don’t think I need to say it’s the worst version given well its the base model.
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sorry I answered wrong, but yes they definitely could have given us the OBR2023 version
So the export T-72 Ural Is officially designated as Object 172M-E and 172M-E1? So what would its normal T-72 name be? Or it doesn’t have it? For example, the T-72A had the M and the M1, what would the Ural have? Or it is not specified?
And can you please link the specific source where I can read this stuff? I’d very much appreciate it. As I want to make an Iraqi suggestion of an Ural with ERA.
The T-72 Ural is the Object 172M, also in addition the T-72 Ural 1 was known as the Object 172M1. Also, the book I am referencing is T-72 by Ryan A. Then (in terms of describing the differences between the export models and stuff here) who also made the tankograd sources I used here since the book wasn’t around when I made the original suggestion. Also, I have no clue about any Iraqi T-72 Ural with era as I do know there were Soviet ones which got era akin to the T-72AV which I discovered via tankograd but even Ryan didn’t really have a name of the upgraded Ural/Ural 1 which didn’t seems to be a one-off vehicle, but I doubt there were that many given the lack of photos, however he still mainly focuses of Soviet T-72’s in the book and on tankograd up until the collapse of the Soviet Union generally speaking. If I had used the book for the suggestion I would have cited it, though granted a lot of aspects of the book and blog on the T-72 he made are very similar for obvious reasons, but they aren’t 100% the same.
Also, the T-72M itself isn’t exactly an export T-72A as they were still based on the Ural and there are 3 models or which two literally differ by side skirts according to the book and the third is the non warsaw pact model, the T-72M1 is the actual T-72A export model proper as by that point the T-72A had already been in production for a few years and the Object 184 later to be known as the T-72B had started development two years prior.
You’ll find pictures of the Iraqi tank in question under the Asad Babil suggestion. (It would be nice if you could tell me what exact model I am looking at on those pictures).
So it would not be incorrect to refer to export T-72 Urals as T-72M tanks?
Both are correct as the T-72 and the T-72M are not the exact same, since they still had differences between them as they did use a different nbc system between the Warsaw pact and non-Warsaw versions and only 1 of the 3 T-72M’s lacked smoke grenade launchers, not to mention the early Warsaw pact ones used the fish gill armor while the others used the rubber skirts. The main difference between the T-72 and T-72M is the transmission.
To name the export T-72’s (prior to the T-72S)
T-72
172M-E (Warsaw T-72 Ural)
172M-E1 (non-Warsaw T-72 Ural)
T-72M
172M-E2 (early Warsaw pact T-72M)
172M-1-E3 (later model Warsaw T-72M)
172M-1-E4 (non-Warsaw pact T-72M (based on the later Warsaw model))
T-72M1
172M-1-E5 (Warsaw pact T-72A)
172M-1-E6 (non-Warsaw pact T-72A)
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Perfect description. Thank you.
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