Decals or camouflage alone should not justify the addition of a copy-paste tank. We already have a ridiculous amount of these tbh.
If this tank is to be included, it should come with all its documented or potential features, such as rear fuel drums/smoke canisters, the turret stowage box, snorkel, and so on. To my knowledge, there isn’t a single photo of a Polish T-34-85 with the full set of these upgrades installed.
I’d also argue that, if added to the USSR tech tree, it shouldn’t be a standard tech-tree vehicle. Model 1969 is the one that should be added next to the USSR tech-tree.
It should be noted that Polish tanks did appear on the most recent Russian military parade. (Most were Czech)
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It’s just an idea for an event for a polish tech tree, many people from eastern Europe grew up watching this TV show (even from as far as Georgia I heard), for me it raised my interest in the military for example. So it’s a tank close to the community’s heart.
I have no problem with skins. I just don’t want to see another bland T-34-85 justified by a “unique” skin.
What walletworrier was saying is that the T-34-85M2 could be a tech tree version and the T-34-85M1 could be a premium. I was just suggesting that the T-34-85M1 gets a unique camo right off the bat because gaijin likes giving premiums unique camos.
For Rudy 102 it would just be a perfect vehicle for the current event rotation as a smaller reward.
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Ive done some more research and ive come to the conclusion that Polish T-34-85s produced post war in Bumar-Labedy are M1945 variants.
This would explain the smoke canisters on the rear of many of the vehicles. Otherwise I have had a really hard time finding what exact variant of the T-34 was produced in Poland, I know the variants they got during the war but most of the models upgraded to T-34-85M standard were of Polish production.
If anyone can find info on Bumar-Labedy T-34-85 it would be much appreciated (im looking for the exact model that they produced, with proof. Right now I have no solid proof like written document, just connecting dots.)
Also if anyone can find a M1946 T-34-85 in Polish service that got upgraded to T-34-85M standard it could give an excuse for an ingame model to have the W-2-34M with extra 20hp
Should get a golden shovel but i’m intrested to see IT ingame. But i also for 1 small feature of this tank. It Has active night vision for a driver. IT Has 2 headlights and 1 was a active night vision.
Edit: IT was mentioned
Here is a better T-34-85M1 picture I forgot to add, really only good picture I could find of the tank from the front
Updated ammo again to represent 85×629mmR.
Here is a list of each ammo shell in Polish service as well as some information on 85mm guns in LWP service:
These are all the early ammuntion variants, the 365 series of shells. You can see these all ingame on T-34-85s.
These are the late war ammos called 367 series of rounds. You can sees these on T-44s ingame, but they can still be fired on T-34-85 as its the exact same gun and cartridge. In many countries BR-367 was used on T-34-85s. (Sorry for the awkward image display), top from bottom: BR-367(A), BR-367P, O-367A.
The last round for the 85×629mmR caliber (at least in Polish service) is the 3BK-2 and 3BK-2M HEAT-FS rounds. 3BK-2 uses a steel heat stream and 2M uses a slightly better copper heat stream. This round surprisingly isnt in warthunder, with the closest thing being the Chinese Type 56 HEAT-FS (which is actually a native shell unlike most other Type 56 ammuntion).
All in all: T-34-85M2 could basically be like a Polish counterpart to ingame Japanese Type 61.
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You have just confirmed what exact HEAT rounds post-WW2 T-34-85s used. Thank you. I’ll add that to my suggestions.
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Also could you please give some viable sources?
Its pretty difficult, there are many secondary sources that confirm this. Ive been trying to find a document of purchase for 3BK-2 or a reference to it in a manual.
Poland used and modernized 85mm field guns until 1989, so if I could find a D-44 manual from Polish service it could confirm HEAT use.
As for BR-367 and BR-365 there are plenty of sources and I mean they were used since WW2.
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Found by @Colerend and shows a possible APDS for the 85mm developed by WITU
Going to replace this for 3BK-2M as right now there isn’t enough proof for it. Also this would be better than 3BK-2M in theory as it would spall more
As we don’t know the round name I’m just going to call it WITU Wz. 62 APDS
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this would be cool as we could see early east german tanks like T34-85 or late IS2M +1 wish we got more ww2 stuff
Lol this T-34-85 is actually from the 1950’s
acting like it aint sharing majority of its design with the WW2 era T34 its early post war
Does, but it’s funny that these were produced and used a while after WW2
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i do agree its rather funny i believe a chinese one gets a dart round
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Poland started license building in 1953 based on T-34-85 M1945.
These upgrades are from the late 50s and early 60s, but the tank were supported until the 80s.
The service upgrades T-34-85M1 and M2 actually could have been a lot better with stabilizer, better engine, rangefinder, etc.
Unfortunately as goes in the government at the time it was cancelled and the upgrade that was fielded was okay but not the best. There could be added a T-34-85 with SC-314 stabilizer (similar to the one coming this update) or one with STP-1 stabilizer the same as T-54A, which would be a lot better
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Hello everyone, I have gained access to the T-34-85M manual from the help of @THEPolishThunder , this brought a few changes to my suggestion.
First of all, it seems that the manual is based off primarily the M1946 variant T-34, even though I have yet to see confirmation that Poland actually used this version of tank. Still it will give some improvements to the tank.
Changes:
W-2-34 → W-2-34M (the manual states the tank uses W-2-34M, but only says it has 500hp. I put down 520hp because the engine was capable of producing this).
3.5x-7x zoom → 4/5x zoom (manual states 4x zoom with sight TSz-16, the TWN-1a has 5x zoom but it would be a stretch to make it the gun zoom.)
Added 2x BDSz smoke grenades. (There are already pictures with this in the thread, I just forgot to put them in the suggestion. Either way the manual confirms it)
Lastly on the topic of ammunition, the manual only mentions the BR-365 series. I will still be leaving in BR-367 rounds and the prototype Wz.62 APDS because the cannon was able to fire them, and obviously the prototype round wouldn’t be included in the manual. Also for gaijin, their policy is if it could use it, it could be added for balance.
I will keep reading through the manual, but those are the main changes and the rest was pretty much confirming what I already had. If anyone finds anymore information please share here, and additionally if anyone can find “Instrukcji wojsk pancernych i zmechanizowanych — 85 mm armata czołgowa wz. 1944 r. — Opis i utrzymanie” Panc. 93/55 it would be very helpful to find more information about the gun and ammunition.
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