Swiss hornets loadouts

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Well, the RB99 is a special case, the Swiss F/A-18 is a special case too with AIM-120B

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Because in many cases, they wont shine. The F-20 for example suits its BR comfortably. Should it be given ARH missiles, it needs to go up in BR were it becomes far less comfortable from an airframe and flight performance perspective.

Similarly with the MIG-23, they suit thier current positions very well. A Magic would only complicate that and is also very out of place in any of the standard researchable variants.

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it would be a 14.0 aircraft with AIM-120s. We know for a fact that Gaijin doesn’t like premiums at 14.0.

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Thank you for your response. While I don’t fully agree with your reasoning, your answer has been sufficient for me to understand the developers’ perspective. Thank you! (For example, the F20 is well-suited to its Battle Rating (BR). Personally, I believe the F18A and Mig-21 Bison are strong opponents, but clearly, they shouldn’t be on the same level.)

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RB 99 is a AIM120, comes on F21 premium and is br12.7 / 13

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yeah it’s at 13.0 because it’s a 12.0 airframe.

Now a Hornet C with 120 countermeasures, AIM-120s but no HMD, why does that sound so familiar…oh wait: F-18C (Sweden) | War Thunder Wiki

And guess what? it’s 14.0! So if you seriously think a Hornet with amraams would be below 14.0, let alone 12.7-13.0, than I’m not sure if that is still cope or just straight delusion.

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Is it possible for the Swiss F/A-18 early to get Flz Lwf LL 63/91 (AIM-9P-5) instead of AIM-9L? It’s a pretty unique Swiss modification and currently none of the new Swiss aircraft use it. Especially since it’s what the F/A-18 early would have used, since it’s prior to the introduction of AIM-9X.

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I believe there was already a report on it, unless im confusing it with one of the other swiss aircraft

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Only for the F-5
[DEV] Swiss F-5E missing Flz Lwf LL 63/91 (AIM-9P-5) Sidewinder // Gaijin.net // Issues

We should get it for the F-18C too

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I wrote reports on all three affected aircraft:

The one for the Hornet (still open) could be fleshed out a bit more, with more supporting images.

Edit: added some more images to my Hornet report, plus link to a official document by the Swiss Government which clearly states the AIM-9X replacing the obsolete AIM-9P…

We don’t have that many aircraft ans missiles. Our Missile era started with the AIM-9B, later we got the AIM-9E, then AIM-9P3, -4 and-5, and now finally the AIM-9X, AIM-120B and AIM-120C. Plus the AIM-26 on the Mirages and AGM-65B on Hunters and F-5F…

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There is Schindibee’s report on it but it hasn’t been forwarded

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/nvKnRrFumOvr

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It has now.

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Muuuuuch appreciated!!! = )

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yeeee

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Funny how we got ignored, lol

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So are you guys going do deal with the asymmetry of the premium FA-18C in German TT and the FA-18C Early? It seems to me that the American premium hornet is at a vast disadvantage, same airframe, same br, but the American Hornet lacks missiles with IRCCM (compared to AIM-9P5), only has half the countermeasures, and has inferior engine and radar. Either that the two have to equate or the Swiss hornet has to go up in br, or else it would be unfair to the game.

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ATM it has no AIM-9P-5.

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There have been discussions about the usage of Swiss developped Low Drag Pylons, and rejected bug reports about them.

What I saw now is that indeed the F/A-18C late DOES have the Low Drag Pylons in WT, but implemented exactly the other way round than how they can be used IRL.

In reality, the LDP’s are used to carry one single AIM-9 or AIM-120 on the outer underwing stations (stations 2 and 9):

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Another possibility to carry AAM’s are the dual launchers, which are carried on the Standard underwing pylons. So far, in Switzerland I’ve only seen them used in connection with AIM-120’s:

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And of course a mix of the two methods is possible and documented with photos:

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Sadly however, Gaijin has done it exactly opposite on the Swiss Hornets:

  • F/A-18C early: can only carry AIM-9L on dual rails with normal pylons
  • F/A-18C late: as early, but in addition can carry AIM-120 on dual rails, but on LDP, which is not possible IRL and leads to clipping error in WT.

It’s almost as if they had the pieces from a model kit, but no instructions to know what to put where, hehe.

See also this report about AIM-120’s clipping into the flaps, exactly because the dual launchers are mistakenly mounted on the Low Drag Pylons instead of the standard pylons.

Comparison:
║ = Standard Pylon, 〡= Low Drag Pylon
Orange: configurations documented IRL, missing in WT
Red: configurations not possible IRL, but implemented in WT

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Sadly, the low-drag pylons are useless because as far as I am aware, pylon drag is not modelled, only the munitions themselves. At least, for the moment.

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Thats correct. Pylons have no drag in WT. Visual correctness is still welcome

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