-1, US has plenty of aircraft and there is enough copy paste in this game as it is. We don’t need more.
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Ok, cool. But I disagree that it’s 100% copy-paste. We don’t have a Spitfire Mk Vc/trop with this specific armament configuration (4x 7.7mm + 2x 20mm) in-game. The British tree’s Mk Vc/trop only has 4x 20mm and can’t swap weapons unless Gaijin changes that.
Sure, the airframe is identical, but I wouldn’t call it a complete copy-paste. Thanks to your comment bumping this suggestion, especially after the American A6M2 was removed last fall, I’d love to see this as a potential replacement as a premium option for the US. Unlike the A6M2, this American Spitfire Mk Vc/trop actually saw combat in the Mediterranean against the Luftwaffe. It makes the suggestion way more valid historically.
Also, let’s be real. The US tree lacks dedicated prop dogfighters with great turn rates and climb performance at low tier. Most US props are energy fighters/BnZ aircraft. With the A6M2 gone, this Spitfire would perfectly fill that gap, just like the Italian Spitfire Mk Vb/trop at 3.7 BR. If you know a better dogfighter option for the US, name it! I’m open to this discussion!
However… if you’re just here to complain ‘copy-paste bad’ even though you had considered its historical service… well, too bad. That’s on you because I’ve noticed that’s your usual approach in suggestion threads with other copy-paste vehicles, so I’m not too bothered by your opinion and can dismiss your opinion.
Anyway, thanks for bumping this suggestion! 👍
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I picked Great Britain for a few reasons, among them, the spitfire. It is an iconic vehicle that belongs in Britain. I know there are some in other trees, yet that should not be a precedent for its proliferation in other trees. Furthermore, the US is not only jam-packed full of iconic, original vehicles of its own, but adding this vehicle would add yet another reason to play America over Britain, considering a spitfire would be available, which would most likely decrease the variety in air battles.
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+1 a Spitfire for one of the many US aircraft used by the UK sounds like a fair trade to me.
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I’m not sure how this would decrease air battle variety. This aircraft historically served in American fighter groups alongside domestic US fighters. I seriously doubt that adding it to the US tree would suddenly make everyone abandon the Britain tree. The British still have millions (pardon my exaggeration) of Spitfire variants to choose from, while the US would only get a handful at most. If anything, that should be incentive enough to play for Britain for other Spitfires. This suggestion just gives US players one more historically accurate option, a pure dogfighter, which I argue is a solid replacement for the American A6M2.
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Aye, and I’ll admit I was super disappointed to see the Akutan Zero removed from sale. I mean, it was the perfect premium. The thing provided a different flavor of gameplay to the US TT and was also a historically significant aircraft to boot. Frankly, having a premium American Spitfire would be a nice replacement for the Akutan Zero, but honestly, I’d like to see the Zero added back and for the Spitfire to pop up as well.
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I absolutely hate the american zero.
You’re flying in air sim. You see a blue plane with american roundels. You engage using appropriate tactics for fighting a P-47. You then find yourself fighting a zero.
While presently U.S and UK are always allies in air simulator, so IFF is a non-issue - I hope to one day have options for alternate history where US joins the axis and thus a chance to fight U.S aircraft as britain.
I’m already very much not a fan that if I want a premium mustang or corsair, I need to buy British premiums. I bit the bullet and got the Mustang Ia because I need sth that gives me SL, but I’m not happy about it.
If anything, we should remove U.S aircraft from the British tech tree and move it to the U.S, we should remove german and japanese aircraft from US tech tree and move it back where they belong. What’s the logic behind me wanting a premium Bf109F4 and being forced to fly U.S? U.S and germany are never on the same side to boot.
We should not be making this issue worse.
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That’s definitely a fair critique, and I’ll admit I don’t play Sim myself, so I can’t comment too much on it, but I feel that stuff like that shouldn’t be allowed in Sim. That said, I stand by what I said. It’s the perfect example of what a premium should be. It’s something that’s unique for the tree, and it’s also a super historically significant vehicle.
I disagree with that for a number of reasons. I mean, the US Aircraft in the British TT do belong, as they were used extensively in combat by the RN and the RAF. The other ones you mention fall into the same category as the Akutan Zero
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-1 why add when there is so much WW2 US fighters left to add
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I’d argue historical reasons. From what I recall, Mk Vc was used extensively by the 31st and 52nd Fighter Groups. A bunch of their aces actually got their ace status flying the Spitfire. I think I’d be a neat little premium as a nod to both the 31st and the 52nd. I, for one, would buy it just for the history, which for me is a tad more important than it being C&P. But that’s just my two cents because I love that sort of history
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Then Britain should get this ‘vehicle’ instead, either as it’s own aircraft or as an armament variation of the TT aircraft. As for this ‘replacing’ the A6M2, no. We managed to lose one more copy-paste vehicle, no need to replace it with another. While it is better in that it was actually used, that isn’t enough for me to agree that it is worth implementing.
Which is not a meaningful issue, not meaningful enough to justify another American Spitfire. And let me humor you for a second, and say that there is a gap that needs to be filled. A vehicle that would fill such a gap should not be premium, it would have to be in the tech tree, which would preclude your proposal.
Besides, if you really want a ‘dedicated American dog fighter’, the P-36 is right there. And if you are really deadset on more ‘dedicated dogfighters’ for low tier US, there’s a plethora of P-36 variants out there that could fit, and probably quite a few other prototype aircraft as well, though I don’t know enough about aircraft to know just by looking at a stat block about just how maneuverable a plane would be.
And if that, for some reason, isn’t enough for you, go play some of the minor nations that could do with the players. Not every nation needs to have everything, and the US does just fine without a ‘dedicated dogfighter’ at 3.7. At that same BR, you have not one, but two P-51s, and .3 higher you get to the P-51D, the Airocobra, and the Black Widow, all of which are incredible aircraft. There is no need for more copy paste bloat then is necessary, and an American Spitfire isn’t necessary.
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While historically significant, it’s still an issue of being forced to play in other trees just to fly your preferred aircraft. I think simply adding these as skins when there weren’t changes and disabling those skins in sim would be fine.
Premium hellcat? Fly british. Premium corsair within the 3.0-5.7 BR range (as 6.0-9.3 is kind of dead)? Fly british. US/Britain isn’t that annoying because same side, but…
The Bf109 is very annoying. The P-47s are also very very annoying.
I think, if we don’t remove “you’re forced to fly bluefor to use a Bf109F4 premium”, we should implement the silver lion talisman which gives 2x SL gains, allowing you to premiumify any aircraft and remove the need for weird “it must be unique.”
For me, the perfect premium is a 1:1 copy paste of a tech tree vehicle with superior economy modifiers in the same tech tree as the origin aircraft, or only minor differences. This way, I don’t have to choose between “I want to fly my favorite plane” and “I want to make decent amount of SL.”
Annoyingly, gaijin has been taking such aircraft off the market more and more or putting them only on the marketplace.
I raise you the F4U-4/F4U-4B. It’s a very capable, jack of all trades aircraft that can go toe-to-toe with german props and have a good chance at winning even at equal starting energy state provided you have altitude to cash in on.
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Sure, but in the end this spoils even more uniqueness for the UK tt. They deserve to have unique vehicles as well.
spitfires are also quite out of place in the US tt imo
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Hardly. The UK still has a ton of super unique and only British aircraft in its TT. I mean, the Spitfire isn’t the only unique plane in that TT; there’s a ton of other stuff.
Which is why I’d argue for the premium option
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i guess I should specify unique & iconic vehicles. i guess there is lancaster but that isnt a fighter tbf.
even as a premium it doesnt fit. i mean, someone grinding the US tt with a spitfire just doesnt make sense
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Ok, if that’s your opinion, then fine.
The P-36 is Rank II at best. It’s completely useless for warbond tasks that require Rank III or higher. The Spitfire Mk Vc/trop could perfectly fill that gap as a Rank III dogfighter for the US tree. At least it would serve a practical purpose this way. It’s up to Gaijin how they want to make it a premium or tech-tree aircraft.
I’ve played minor nations extensively, so I get the concerns. But adding these American Spitfires would give US players something fresh, a proper dogfighting option instead of yet another energy fighter. In my humble opinion, in the current air RB meta, dedicated dogfighters are meta and just as dangerous (if not more than) BnZ planes, yet the US tree barely has any. This would balance things out.
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I agree about the F4U-4, but the F4U-4B sits at 5.7 BR. That’s solidly mid-tier in my book, not low-tier. The Spitfire Mk Vc/trop just isn’t in the same league performance-wise as the F4U-4B.
Not if its a premium aircraft, it doesn’t. If you have to pay for it, it doesn’t fill a gap nor have a purpose. And, again, you are doggedly insistent on a nonexistent problem. The US has plenty of fun aircraft that can be used to grind out events at tier 3 and above, and if you insist on including premium aircraft, we already have the infamous XP-40 and XP-55 at the very tier, both of which are insanely good aircraft.
First of all, copy paste is the antithesis of ‘fresh’. It’s regurgitating content that, simultaneously, lessens the value of other trees. Secondly, hard disagree. If ‘dedicated dogfighters’ are the ‘meta’, it’s because the average player is incapable of comprehending BnZ and will turn fight a Zero in a B-17 if given the chance.
Now, if you actually want to freshen up the US techtree, it would be better to implement all of the cool prototypes not yet seen ingame. Stuff like the Flying Chainsaw, Black Bullet, Airacuda, TBD Interstate, Moonbat, P-59B, XB-42, XB-19, XP-75, and so on. All unique, really cool aircraft that would be a ton of fun to fly and see ingame.
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It’s the XP-50, not the XP-40, but I get your point.
I completely disagree. Even if it’s “copy-paste,” this aircraft offers a totally different playstyle compared to most American props; that alone makes it feel fresh from a gameplay perspective.
You clearly recognize the current meta issues, and this Spitfire would be perfect for new and average players. The Big 3 nations, the US being one of them, are formed by a large percentage of inexperienced players, and having a newbie-friendly dogfighter would help them learn. Veterans would benefit too, since they already know how to exploit the Spitfire’s strengths and weaknesses. I don’t see the point in continuing this argument, as you are insisting it’s “copy-paste” and don’t want to see its addition to the game. That’s fine with me, as there are other potential candidates to fill this role.
Indeed, those are the aircraft and countless other vehicles I already suggested as an effort to spice up the US aviation tree. Rest assured, the suggestion list doesn’t have many “copy-paste” aircraft, and American Spitfires make up just a tiny fraction of these suggestions.
To those who read this, if you genuinely care about improving US aviation tree, I’d suggest reviewing my other suggestions. I am continuing to suggest more for the tech tree.
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Or you could, I don’t know, play tech trees other than the US. I mean, crazy I know.
Especially when most players play RB when it comes to air, so they only have one life anyway, meaning there isn’t anything gained for buying these foreign aircraft.
I really don’t understand these arguments centering on ‘its gameplay would be unique to the tree’, when maintaining the uniqueness of trees is something we should do, which copy paste slop like this actively harms. If you want the British experience, you play Britain. You want the American experience, play America.
First of all, Veterans wouldn’t benefit, and are most likely to be peeved over more copy paste. If they want to play British aircraft, Spitfire included, they would start, or already have, grinded down the British TT.
Noobies who want to play US are exactly the kind of people you don’t want buying this aircraft. All it would do is encourage them to turn fight everything they see, which is not something you want to teach US players as there aren’t many turn fighters in the tree. Good aircraft for US noobies teach them the way of Boom n Zoom, not the heresy that is turn fighting.
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