Supermarine Spitfire Mk Vc/trop - Star-Spangled Spitfire (II)

[HolmanTheHorror]

@Nostalgistic

Ok, cool. But I disagree that it’s 100% copy-paste. We don’t have a Spitfire Mk Vc/trop with this specific armament configuration (4x 7.7mm + 2x 20mm) in-game. The British tree’s Mk Vc/trop only has 4x 20mm and can’t swap weapons unless Gaijin changes that.

Sure, the airframe is identical, but I wouldn’t call it a complete copy-paste. Thanks to your comment bumping this suggestion, especially after the American A6M2 was removed last fall, I’d love to see this as a potential replacement as a premium option for the US. Unlike the A6M2, this American Spitfire Mk Vc/trop actually saw combat in the Mediterranean against the Luftwaffe. It makes the suggestion way more valid historically.

Then Britain should get this ‘vehicle’ instead, either as it’s own aircraft or as an armament variation of the TT aircraft. As for this ‘replacing’ the A6M2, no. We managed to lose one more copy-paste vehicle, no need to replace it with another. While it is better in that it was actually used, that isn’t enough for me to agree that it is worth implementing.

@Nostalgistic

Also, let’s be real. The US tree lacks dedicated prop dogfighters with great turn rates and climb performance at low tier. Most US props are energy fighters/BnZ aircraft. With the A6M2 gone, this Spitfire would perfectly fill that gap, just like the Italian Spitfire Mk Vb/trop at 3.7 BR. If you know a better dogfighter option for the US, name it! I’m open to this discussion!

Which is not a meaningful issue, not meaningful enough to justify another American Spitfire. And let me humor you for a second, and say that there is a gap that needs to be filled. A vehicle that would fill such a gap should not be premium, it would have to be in the tech tree, which would preclude your proposal.

Besides, if you really want a ‘dedicated American dog fighter’, the P-36 is right there. And if you are really deadset on more ‘dedicated dogfighters’ for low tier US, there’s a plethora of P-36 variants out there that could fit, and probably quite a few other prototype aircraft as well, though I don’t know enough about aircraft to know just by looking at a stat block about just how maneuverable a plane would be.

And if that, for some reason, isn’t enough for you, go play some of the minor nations that could do with the players. Not every nation needs to have everything, and the US does just fine without a ‘dedicated dogfighter’ at 3.7. At that same BR, you have not one, but two P-51s, and .3 higher you get to the P-51D, the Airocobra, and the Black Widow, all of which are incredible aircraft. There is no need for more copy paste bloat then is necessary, and an American Spitfire isn’t necessary.

[RunaDacino]

@jon_man1199

I disagree with that for a number of reasons. I mean, the US Aircraft in the British TT do belong, as they were used extensively in combat by the RN and the RAF. The other ones you mention fall into the same category as the Akutan Zero

While historically significant, it’s still an issue of being forced to play in other trees just to fly your preferred aircraft. I think simply adding these as skins when there weren’t changes and disabling those skins in sim would be fine.

Premium hellcat? Fly british. Premium corsair within the 3.0-5.7 BR range (as 6.0-9.3 is kind of dead)? Fly british. US/Britain isn’t that annoying because same side, but…

The Bf109 is very annoying. The P-47s are also very very annoying.

I think, if we don’t remove “you’re forced to fly bluefor to use a Bf109F4 premium”, we should implement the silver lion talisman which gives 2x SL gains, allowing you to premiumify any aircraft and remove the need for weird “it must be unique.”

@jon_man1199

It’s the perfect example of what a premium should be

For me, the perfect premium is a 1:1 copy paste of a tech tree vehicle with superior economy modifiers in the same tech tree as the origin aircraft, or only minor differences. This way, I don’t have to choose between “I want to fly my favorite plane” and “I want to make decent amount of SL.”

Annoyingly, gaijin has been taking such aircraft off the market more and more or putting them only on the marketplace.

@Nostalgistic

Also, let’s be real. The US tree lacks dedicated prop dogfighters with great turn rates and climb performance at low tier. Most US props are energy fighters/BnZ aircraft.

I raise you the F4U-4/F4U-4B. It’s a very capable, jack of all trades aircraft that can go toe-to-toe with german props and have a good chance at winning even at equal starting energy state provided you have altitude to cash in on.

[quartas121]

Sure, but in the end this spoils even more uniqueness for the UK tt. They deserve to have unique vehicles as well.

spitfires are also quite out of place in the US tt imo

[jon_man1199]

@quartas121

Sure, but in the end this spoils even more uniqueness for the UK tt. They deserve to have unique vehicles as well.

Hardly. The UK still has a ton of super unique and only British aircraft in its TT. I mean, the Spitfire isn’t the only unique plane in that TT; there’s a ton of other stuff.

@quartas121

spitfires are also quite out of place in the US tt imo

Which is why I’d argue for the premium option

[quartas121]

i guess I should specify unique & iconic vehicles. i guess there is lancaster but that isnt a fighter tbf.

even as a premium it doesnt fit. i mean, someone grinding the US tt with a spitfire just doesnt make sense

[Nostalgistic]

@HolmanTheHorror

Then Britain should get this ‘vehicle’ instead, either as it’s own aircraft or as an armament variation of the TT aircraft. As for this ‘replacing’ the A6M2, no. We managed to lose one more copy-paste vehicle, no need to replace it with another. While it is better in that it was actually used, that isn’t enough for me to agree that it is worth implementing.

Ok, if that’s your opinion, then fine.

@HolmanTheHorror

Which is not a meaningful issue, not meaningful enough to justify another American Spitfire. And let me humor you for a second, and say that there is a gap that needs to be filled. A vehicle that would fill such a gap should not be premium, it would have to be in the tech tree, which would preclude your proposal.

Besides, if you really want a ‘dedicated American dog fighter’, the P-36 is right there. And if you are really deadset on more ‘dedicated dogfighters’ for low tier US, there’s a plethora of P-36 variants out there that could fit, and probably quite a few other prototype aircraft as well, though I don’t know enough about aircraft to know just by looking at a stat block about just how maneuverable a plane would be.

The P-36 is Rank II at best. It’s completely useless for warbond tasks that require Rank III or higher. The Spitfire Mk Vc/trop could perfectly fill that gap as a Rank III dogfighter for the US tree. At least it would serve a practical purpose this way. It’s up to Gaijin how they want to make it a premium or tech-tree aircraft.

@HolmanTheHorror

And if that, for some reason, isn’t enough for you, go play some of the minor nations that could do with the players. Not every nation needs to have everything, and the US does just fine without a ‘dedicated dogfighter’ at 3.7. At that same BR, you have not one, but two P-51s, and .3 higher you get to the P-51D, the Airocobra, and the Black Widow, all of which are incredible aircraft. There is no need for more copy paste bloat then is necessary, and an American Spitfire isn’t necessary.

I’ve played minor nations extensively, so I get the concerns. But adding these American Spitfires would give US players something fresh, a proper dogfighting option instead of yet another energy fighter. In my humble opinion, in the current air RB meta, dedicated dogfighters are meta and just as dangerous (if not more than) BnZ planes, yet the US tree barely has any. This would balance things out.

[Nostalgistic]

@RunaDacino

I raise you the F4U-4/F4U-4B. It’s a very capable, jack of all trades aircraft that can go toe-to-toe with german props and have a good chance at winning even at equal starting energy state provided you have altitude to cash in on.

I agree about the F4U-4, but the F4U-4B sits at 5.7 BR. That’s solidly mid-tier in my book, not low-tier. The Spitfire Mk Vc/trop just isn’t in the same league performance-wise as the F4U-4B.

[HolmanTheHorror]

@Nostalgistic

The P-36 is Rank II at best. It’s completely useless for warbond tasks that require Rank III or higher. The Spitfire Mk Vc/trop could perfectly fill that gap as a Rank III dogfighter for the US tree. At least it would serve a practical purpose this way. It’s up to Gaijin how they want to make it a premium or tech-tree aircraft.

Not if its a premium aircraft, it doesn’t. If you have to pay for it, it doesn’t fill a gap nor have a purpose. And, again, you are doggedly insistent on a nonexistent problem. The US has plenty of fun aircraft that can be used to grind out events at tier 3 and above, and if you insist on including premium aircraft, we already have the infamous XP-40 and XP-55 at the very tier, both of which are insanely good aircraft.

@Nostalgistic

I’ve played minor nations extensively, so I get the concerns. But adding these American Spitfires would give US players something fresh, a proper dogfighting option instead of yet another energy fighter. In my humble opinion, in the current air RB meta, dedicated dogfighters are meta and just as dangerous (if not more) than BnZ planes, yet the US tree barely has any. This would balance things out.

First of all, copy paste is the antithesis of ‘fresh’. It’s regurgitating content that, simultaneously, lessens the value of other trees. Secondly, hard disagree. If ‘dedicated dogfighters’ are the ‘meta’, it’s because the average player is incapable of comprehending BnZ and will turn fight a Zero in a B-17 if given the chance.

Now, if you actually want to freshen up the US techtree, it would be better to implement all of the cool prototypes not yet seen ingame. Stuff like the Flying Chainsaw, Black Bullet, Airacuda, TBD Interstate, Moonbat, P-59B, XB-42, XB-19, XP-75, and so on. All unique, really cool aircraft that would be a ton of fun to fly and see ingame.

[Nostalgistic]

@HolmanTheHorror

Not if its a premium aircraft, it doesn’t. If you have to pay for it, it doesn’t fill a gap nor have a purpose. And, again, you are doggedly insistent on a nonexistent problem. The US has plenty of fun aircraft that can be used to grind out events at tier 3 and above, and if you insist on including premium aircraft, we already have the infamous XP-40 and XP-55 at the very tier, both of which are insanely good aircraft.

It’s the XP-50, not the XP-40, but I get your point.

@HolmanTheHorror

First of all, copy paste is the antithesis of ‘fresh’. It’s regurgitating content that, simultaneously, lessens the value of other trees

I completely disagree. Even if it’s “copy-paste,” this aircraft offers a totally different playstyle compared to most American props; that alone makes it feel fresh from a gameplay perspective.

@HolmanTheHorror

Secondly, hard disagree. If ‘dedicated dogfighters’ are the ‘meta’, it’s because the average player is incapable of comprehending BnZ and will turn fight a Zero in a B-17 if given the chance.

You clearly recognize the current meta issues, and this Spitfire would be perfect for new and average players. The Big 3 nations, the US being one of them, are formed by a large percentage of inexperienced players, and having a newbie-friendly dogfighter would help them learn. Veterans would benefit too, since they already know how to exploit the Spitfire’s strengths and weaknesses. I don’t see the point in continuing this argument, as you are insisting it’s “copy-paste” and don’t want to see its addition to the game. That’s fine with me, as there are other potential candidates to fill this role.

@HolmanTheHorror

Now, if you actually want to freshen up the US techtree, it would be better to implement all of the cool prototypes not yet seen ingame. Stuff like the Flying Chainsaw, Black Bullet, Airacuda, TBD Interstate, Moonbat, P-59B, XB-42, XB-19, XP-75, and so on. All unique, really cool aircraft that would be a ton of fun to fly and see ingame.

Indeed, those are the aircraft and countless other vehicles I already suggested as an effort to spice up the US aviation tree. Rest assured, the suggestion list doesn’t have many “copy-paste” aircraft, and American Spitfires make up just a tiny fraction of these suggestions.

To those who read this, if you genuinely care about improving US aviation tree, I’d suggest reviewing my other suggestions. I am continuing to suggest more for the tech tree.

[HolmanTheHorror]

@Nostalgistic

I completely disagree. Even if it’s “copy-paste,” this aircraft offers a totally different playstyle compared to most American props; that alone makes it feel fresh from a gameplay perspective.

Or you could, I don’t know, play tech trees other than the US. I mean, crazy I know.

Especially when most players play RB when it comes to air, so they only have one life anyway, meaning there isn’t anything gained for buying these foreign aircraft.

I really don’t understand these arguments centering on ‘its gameplay would be unique to the tree’, when maintaining the uniqueness of trees is something we should do, which copy paste slop like this actively harms. If you want the British experience, you play Britain. You want the American experience, play America.

@Nostalgistic

You clearly recognize the current meta issues, and this Spitfire would be perfect for new and average players. The Big 3 nations, the US being one of them, are formed by a large percentage of inexperienced players, and having a newbie-friendly dogfighter would help them learn. Veterans would benefit too, since they already know how to exploit the Spitfire’s strengths and weaknesses. I don’t see the point in continuing this argument, as you are insisting it’s “copy-paste” and don’t want to see its addition to the game. That’s fine with me, as there are other potential candidates to fill this role.

First of all, Veterans wouldn’t benefit, and are most likely to be peeved over more copy paste. If they want to play British aircraft, Spitfire included, they would start, or already have, grinded down the British TT.

Noobies who want to play US are exactly the kind of people you don’t want buying this aircraft. All it would do is encourage them to turn fight everything they see, which is not something you want to teach US players as there aren’t many turn fighters in the tree. Good aircraft for US noobies teach them the way of Boom n Zoom, not the heresy that is turn fighting.

[RunaDacino]

@HolmanTheHorror

Good aircraft for US noobies teach them the way of Boom n Zoom, not the heresy that is turn fighting.

Tbf US fighters can turnfight, just not sustain it indefinitely. As long as you got speed over 450-500 km/h, most u.s aircraft become very nimble and can gain position in the initial turn. The Hellcat is brought up as foolishly turnfighting, but it can - in the right hands - gain position in a lead turn and then burn altitude to stay on someone’s six. P-51 cannonstang is similar - if you can get the initial position with an aggressive lead turn, it’s quite difficult to escape. You just want to do it at high altitude so you can get the speed back quickly (P-51-D-5 vs Bf109K4 - the P-51-D-5 can win the descending spiral if the Bf109 tries to dive away rather than climb) and ditch the fight after 2 turns to reset.

Never take the hellcat into a descending spiral, it will win.

https://youtu.be/I6ss2_yK910?si=Fwzlkk1Yz6s0_rpQ&t=1031

[HolmanTheHorror]

True, but when a new players first instinct is to enter into a turn fight, it’s best to break them of that instinct first so that Boom N Zoom becomes their default method of attack, and then they can learn when to turn fight.

At least if they intend to play American planes, anyway.

Edit: Thanks for the video, got a new tuber to binge

[Nostalgistic]

@HolmanTheHorror

Or you could, I don’t know, play tech trees other than the US. I mean, crazy I know.

Especially when most players play RB when it comes to air, so they only have one life anyway, meaning there isn’t anything gained for buying these foreign aircraft.

I really don’t understand these arguments centering on ‘its gameplay would be unique to the tree’, when maintaining the uniqueness of trees is something we should do, which copy paste slop like this actively harms. If you want the British experience, you play Britain. You want the American experience, play America.

That’s your subjective opinion, and I fundamentally disagree with your purist approach to tech trees. At the end of the day, the American Spitfire is a simple, valid addition to the US tree. Calling it “copy-paste slop” that actively harms the game is absurd.

Also, let’s not forget Air Arcade is still one of the most popular modes, so players would find this Spitfire a valuable addition to their 3.7 lineup. Judging its value purely through an Air RB lens is way too narrow-minded.

@HolmanTheHorror

First of all, Veterans wouldn’t benefit, and are most likely to be peeved over more copy paste. If they want to play British aircraft, Spitfire included, they would start, or already have, grinded down the British TT.

I disagree. As a veteran player since 2013 who had grinded every tech tree, I know how useful this would be. My Italian Spitfire Mk Vb/trop, for instance, has been incredibly effective for grinding Battle Pass tasks and other Battle Pass or event vehicle challenges, so the American version would perform just as well. Somebody will appreciate its addition and its benefits, and I am sure about that.

@HolmanTheHorror

Noobies who want to play US are exactly the kind of people you don’t want buying this aircraft. All it would do is encourage them to turn fight everything they see, which is not something you want to teach US players as there aren’t many turn fighters in the tree. Good aircraft for US noobies teach them the way of Boom n Zoom, not the heresy that is turn fighting.

Why does it matter to you who flies this beginner-friendly Rank 3 aircraft? Newbie players will quickly learn this Spitfire’s strengths and weaknesses. Turnfighting isn’t its only use, and they’ll have to master energy management too. If it gets caught in a furball with no energy, it’s dead meat. That’s a fundamental skill that applies to all US props. If some players struggle even with this aircraft or other US prop, that’s their responsibility to fix their skill issues through trial and error methods or by seeking advice from experienced players.

Even a Spitfire can Boom and Zoom if they know what they are doing. I’ve done it myself. Just because it’s not its strong primary role doesn’t mean it’s impossible.

Call turnfighting “heresy” all you want, but being effective in a Spitfire requires more than just turning. I strongly dislike seeing someone like you gatekeeping this Spitfire just because they are “noobs.”

[RunaDacino]

@Nostalgistic

Also, let’s not forget Air Arcade is still one of the most popular modes, so players would find this Spitfire a valuable addition to their 3.7 lineup. Judging its value purely through an Air RB lens is way too narrow-minded.

Since you are focusing on 3.7.

Unlocking BR 4.0 planes does not take a long time. Even with casual play of only playing 2 hours friday, saturday and friday each - you only need about a week to reach 4.0 aircraft. First time? It will take a hot minute as you’re learning how to play but second, third and fourth? It’s gonna be a breeze.

This is why, when I give advice for either ARB or ASB, I often advise getting a BR 4.0 USSR/US/GB/GER/IT/JAP or closest aircraft after learning and familiarizing yourself with the controls and getting comfortable and then playing each nation for a week. It makes you a better player for a lot of reasons.

This is one of the big strengths of 3.0-4.0 BR bracket - are you dying repeatedly to a plane that makes you claim it’s broken? Go and fly it. It’s quick and easy to unlock and spade. Spend a week or two flying nothing but that plane you hate. Either you realize it’s not OP and it’s skill issue, or you at least learn where it fails and learn how to beat it*.

*This doesn’t work with exclusive premium

@Nostalgistic

Somebody will appreciate its addition and its benefits, and I am sure about that.

It takes an already bad problem and makes it worse for no real benefit. If it was a british premium, it’d open the way to a cheap and low-bracket premium plane for making SL in, given the only rank 3 british premium that’s not an american aircraft is marketplace only.

If I was flying britain, I don’t want to be forced to fly america just to have a BR 3.0-4.0 bracket spitfire with decent SL income (only one that exists is marketplace only). I already hate having to fly britain for my mustang Mk Ia. Currently there’s no significant difference since GB/US are on the same side always, but I hope that we can expand the matchmaker to involve alt history scenarios like GER/US/IT vs GB/USSR and things like that for unique match-ups and opportunities for teamwork.

@Nostalgistic

Why does it matter to you who flies this beginner-friendly Rank 3 aircraft?

Because I hate that I can’t buy a premium yak-3 because the only way for me to do that is to fly france, which might lead to me flying yak 3 vs yak 3s and I don’t want that.

Because I hate that I can’t buy a premium bf109F4 because the only way for me to do that is to fly america, which will always lead to me flying against bf109s.

Surely you can see the issue.

[Nostalgistic]

@RunaDacino

Since you are focusing on 3.7.

Unlocking BR 4.0 planes does not take a long time. Even with casual play of only playing 2 hours friday, saturday and friday each - you only need about a week to reach 4.0 aircraft. First time? It will take a hot minute as you’re learning how to play but second, third and fourth? It’s gonna be a breeze.

This is why, when I give advice for either ARB or ASB, I often advise getting a BR 4.0 USSR/US/GB/GER/IT/JAP or closest aircraft after learning and familiarizing yourself with the controls and getting comfortable and then playing each nation for a week. It makes you a better player for a lot of reasons.

This is one of the big strengths of 3.0-4.0 BR bracket - are you dying repeatedly to a plane that makes you claim it’s broken? Go and fly it. It’s quick and easy to unlock and spade. Spend a week or two flying nothing but that plane you hate. Either you realize it’s not OP and it’s skill issue, or you at least learn where it fails and learn how to beat it*.

*This doesn’t work with exclusive premium

?? Okay, but my point was that the BR 3.7 American Spitfire could work in a 3.7 lineup for air arcade battles, ground realistic battles (this Spitfire can carry a small bomb load), and even naval battles. Those are game modes where they can be respawned more than once with the use of backups. I’m saying this Spitfire can be a versatile option in those game modes, so it’s not just for Air RB or Sim.

@RunaDacino

It takes an already bad problem and makes it worse for no real benefit. If it was a british premium, it’d open the way to a cheap and low-bracket premium plane for making SL in, given the only rank 3 british premium that’s not an american aircraft is marketplace only.

If I was flying britain, I don’t want to be forced to fly america just to have a BR 3.0-4.0 bracket spitfire with decent SL income (only one that exists is marketplace only). I already hate having to fly britain for my mustang Mk Ia.

Ok - there are plenty of great suggestions for low-tier British domestic fighters that’d make perfect premiums. You should check those out and throw your support behind them instead.

@RunaDacino

Currently there’s no significant difference since GB/US are on the same side always, but I hope that we can expand the matchmaker to involve alt history scenarios like GER/US/IT vs GB/USSR and things like that for unique match-ups and opportunities for teamwork.

About the matchmaker: the teams in Air RBs have been mixed for ages. US teams can already end up with Germany or Germany/Italy against USSR/UK/etc. It’s not always like that, but it happens. We’re getting off-topic here though. Maybe take that discussion somewhere else.

@RunaDacino

Because I hate that I can’t buy a premium yak-3 because the only way for me to do that is to fly france, which might lead to me flying yak 3 vs yak 3s and I don’t want that.

Because I hate that I can’t buy a premium bf109F4 because the only way for me to do that is to fly america, which will always lead to me flying against bf109s.

Surely you can see the issue.

I do agree with your concern, though. Sadly, the best we can do is support other nations’ aircraft suggestions to get Gaijin’s attention. They’re the ones who decide what gets added in the end.

[RunaDacino]

@Nostalgistic

About the matchmaker: the teams in Air RBs have been mixed for ages. US teams can already end up with Germany or Germany/Italy against USSR/UK/etc. It’s not always like that, but it happens. We’re getting off-topic here though. Maybe take that discussion somewhere else.

In SB US/GB are always on the same side. Since this suggestion would negatively affect sim, it is on topic.

@Nostalgistic

or Sim.

Has back-ups, and is negatively affected by more IFF issues. Not an issue presently, but can and will be once we hopefully get more lobby types.

@Nostalgistic

I do agree with your concern, though. Sadly, the best we can do is support other nations’ aircraft suggestions to get Gaijin’s attention. They’re the ones who decide what gets added in the end.

We should advocate for each nation only flying its domestic aircraft with historical lend-lease and captured curiousities being recognized through unique camoflagues that are only usable either in marker-indicated modes or when the parties are on the same side in a markerless lobby.

We should also strive to implement silver lion talismans and submit it as suggestion until suggestion moderators finally stop wordlessly deleting such. Silver lion talismans would open up any and all TT aircraft to be used to make SL and remove the absurdity above described (Want a premium bf109F4? Fly america, who is always an enemy of germany!)

[EL337GH0ST]

Gotta love British main hypocrisy when US gets suggested a British vehicle they used, it’s like a warcrime has been comitted, yet they advocate for Australian-owned US-made aircraft like the A-4 and F-18 to be in their tree because reasons??

Anyways, I’ll agree that this game needs no more copy paste so a -1, unless they keep shoving unnecessary US vehicle in the British tree (like F-111C) then of course this should be added to the US

[RunaDacino]

I don’t want any domestic aircraft in foreign tech trees.

I hate that to fly premium razorback mustangs, I must fly britain. I hate that premium hellcats are british. I hate that premium corsair at 3.0-5.7 is british. I fly all of US/GER/IT/JAP/GB/USSR, but if I’m flying X nation I want to fly its aircraft not something foreign that might end up on the enemy side as well.

[Nostalgistic]

@RunaDacino

In SB US/GB are always on the same side. Since this suggestion would negatively affect sim, it is on topic.

@RunaDacino

Has back-ups, and is negatively affected by more IFF issues. Not an issue presently, but can and will be once we hopefully get more lobby types.

How exactly does this negatively impact sim battles? I’m not a dedicated sim player myself, but you claim US/GB are always on the same side - so where’s the IFF issue unless we’re talking about Italian or captured Spitfires on other team?

That said, there are potential solutions to address this problem if it exists. This really deserves its own separate discussion thread.

@RunaDacino

We should advocate for each nation only flying its domestic aircraft with historical lend-lease and captured curiousities being recognized through unique camoflagues that are only usable either in marker-indicated modes or when the parties are on the same side in a markerless lobby.

Ideally, Gaijin should’ve handled this better from the start, but now it’s too late to change things. You can’t just remove all aircraft that fit this criteria from tech trees - that would be unfair, and I am sure you’ll find most suggestion creators and supporters strongly disagree with that approach.

[StormRyder13]

@RunaDacino

We should advocate for each nation only flying its domestic aircraft with historical lend-lease and captured curiousities being recognized through unique camoflagues that are only usable either in marker-indicated modes or when the parties are on the same side in a markerless lobby.

I’ll be frank, this is bad take 101. War Thunder is a game that advertises itself is “realistic”, this includes all historical vehicle used by the nation(they are national tech-trees not industry) in question(both domestic and foreign). If you want a purist game War Gaming is that way.

Well I’m aware your looking only at sim, it’s not the only thing in the world(and needs a rework from the ground up in the first place). Both Arcade with its no nations match maker, and realistic that can be mixed in the first place.

I like making historical or even semi-historical line-ups, and having vehicle used by regiments or squadrons historically be nothing more think skins(that would cost GE) would absolutely suck.