Apologies for the off-topic but I couldn’t let misinformation fly wildly :))))))
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The J-11 was hampered by single target lock and firing for RVV-AE for BVR, made worse by the early systems dating back to the 80s Su-27’s.
The Gripen-C on the other hand had much better modern avionics and RWR. The Gripen also had access to electronic warfare features such as “ghost-style lure” whatever that implies. They also had night vision whereas the Chinese did not.
A combination of factors resulted in the loss of the Su-27’s in BVR conditions. It can be expected that the WVR performance was supported mostly by the helmet mounted cueing system and off-boresight capability of the Su-27. The Gripen obviously lighter than the Su-27 is more nimble and has better instant turn performance at higher speeds - worse at lower. The sustained turn rate on average is better than the Su-27 but as we know - worse when the Su-27 has shed some of the fuel mass.
Overall, not a good situation and it has very much been remedied since with the incorporation of modern J-11B, J-15, J-16 into the Chinese air and naval forces. The implementation of modernized J-10’s, and the J-20 support the remaining vacancies in their doctrine for now.
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Exactly, I’m surprised people are astonished that the j-11a lost at BVR. Like, if it was a bs or a b model with pl-15s, then I would be surprised. But, the j-11a doesnt even get pl-12s. Ofc it’s gonna lose, its basically a su27sk with r-77s.
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The J-11 with PL-12’s would have lost too, it’s a 15-20m2 RCS plane going against one with a better radar that is also 1-1.5m2, maybe 2m2 when equipped with a full air to air load.
The difference in detection ranges alone give the Gripen first shot advantage, let alone the fact that it would still have multi-shot advantages over the Su-27.
Beyond all that, the Gripen had an internal jammer and a modern decoy available to them.
It has the worst overall performance. Overall performance = the ability to carry out multi-role missions (varied A2A missions, varied A2G missions, flight efficiency, electronics and so on…), there are several charts comparing the planes scores. What I posted is literally just the flight efficiency of a delta canard, nothing more. I limited myself to saying that’s the only thing it’s actually the best at because that’s what the study showed, lol
It’s just reading and understanding, there’s nothing to unravel here…
the context of these answers is literally related to the Flanker, don’t worry
Yeah that data link sucks.
I find it hard to make use of these things even in Sim, never mind IRL.
At least WR won’t be near 0% for beyond 50km, PL12 is much better at range compared to R77 and also J11B’s radar performance isn’t bad especially concerning that it is a 900mm radar.
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I’m iranian, i went to the source
How is that?
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it definitely does
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by no way
To be fair, I wouldn’t consider Type 1493 to be a bad radar, if we’re talking about the J-11B. It’s an all-aspect improvement on the Type 1492 and common figures is > 150km search range against targets of 3-5 meters squared RCS, and engage six targets at the same time with PL-12.
“其雷达反射面积从Su-27的15平方米降低到大约5平方米” - Radar cross-section was reduced from 15 square meters to 5 square meters on the J-11B.
https://mil.news.sina.com.cn/p/2008-01-15/0746481266.html (link if you can access the source).
I still wouldn’t say that the J-11B would win, but it’s probably much closer.
J-11BG is an entirely different story though.
With this being the Russian Flanker thread, I won’t continue this topic further in here.
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Hey guys, I recently started researching the Russian tech tree. Which of the missing lines would you recommend I focus on, considering a potential future addition of the Su-30?
Well, it probably will come after 27SM,.so you already covered in this regard
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I see, thanks for the heads up :D
Kh-38ML and Kh-38MT missing GNSS guidance
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/VmDVm6m2gZxP
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Now that it’s been a bit since the FMs have been changed, how does the Su-27S compare to the SM flight performance wise?
I always just kinda assumed the SM was just better, but I did hear somewhere that it was also a bit heavier, so I’m unsure.
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It’s almost the same, the difference is negligible i’d say. The SM is indeed heavier but it has upgraded engines which makes up for the weight increase.
Except for SU34, is there any Sukhoi products that can carry KH38 with a TVD leaser pod? I only know SU35 might have that, but not sure if any SU30 has.