In fact, most premier ordnance such as AIM-54, AIM-120, R-77, R-27ER, etc would be worse in sea level shot conditions and better in high altitude conditions if they fixed drag based on atmosphere.
The R-77 stands to benefit the most because the grid fins if modelled correctly would have better drag characteristics when fired over mach 1.3 and at high altitude. It would have much improved maneuverability as well at low speeds and require less fin deflection to maneuver at higher speeds - resulting in better maneuvering drag characteristics.
Not really. The AIM-120 gets it’s great performance because of it’s longer burn time and from having a sustainer.
Wouldn’t matter if it did, the R-77 will benefit more than the AIM-120, and the kind of situations in which you would die to an AIM-120 will basically be the same as before.
Wow. That sounds very interesting. But how do you prove it to the developer?
We had a hard time proving to the developer that the FM of the flanker was wrong…
They configured the flanker according to the T-10 flight manual, but they didn’t trust the Su-27SK flight manual
They acknowledged the limitation and stated that the current R-77 is modified to meet specific datapoints for medium and high altitude launch configurations (likely as launched from ~0.9 mach). Thus - the missile is considerably underperforming in-game when launched from above mach speeds where it would not have to overcome the wave drag.
In short, they are aware of the limitations of the game engine and the R-77 as it is implemented is not a bug and won’t be fixed.
It’s going to have to be a good radar to justify it. Plus you wont be able to get to altitude and speed fast enough to not get clapped by Typhoon and F-15E
Yea i also feel they severaly nerfed missiles over time be it the aim 9L Nerf
Or what I feel the most Radar missiles have terrible Speed and energy
Until you get into amraam r27er and r77 territory
R27r and aim7 are just barely outrunning the Launch aircraft only at very high altitude they have decent Speed but an aim54 will never reach beyond 100km in this game
Totally irrelevant to what is being discussed. It is my understanding that the Su-27SM’s that received the specific engine we see in the game is the Su-27SM(3), if the designation is not officially “SM3” or similar, it should at least follow the same naming system used on other fighters such as MiG-9 and MiG-9/(Late) - which is also used for the F-14.
You might say there is not an early version of the Su-27SM in-game to warrant this, but the same question could be posed towards the F-14A which has no late model in the game currently.
If they did and saw no other upgrades I was unaware and obviously makes my statement meaningless, but I have not seen a source to back that up. If they didn’t receive the engine and only the ‘SM3’ did, I’d say we need to either revert the change or correct the other missing features.
It is very relevant as you claim a name change, go make a suggestion if you wish for that. Add along F-15E(late), F-16C(late), and all other aircraft that have an upgrade they received later down in their life
If it has the improved engines it should also get the other improvements that came with them, no?
Applies to both, so if the F-15E has it’s own problems that isn’t relevant to the Su-27. Everything should be held to the same standard but this is the Su-27 thread.
