As someone who flies all nations, the 29 was a contender for top position just like how most new additions are, but was quickly nerfed into being an extremely mid plane which is where it lies now
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Russia was ABSURD meta during 15Bis times, meta during 17 times, meta during 19 times, SUPER meta when F13 and F4C came as they fixed 19 to the point it lacked drag for months and was literally unkillable in good hands. Was meta with SMT and R60, was meta with 21Bis, then slight hole with 23M and absurd meta with MLD that ruled for like an year as it was on par with tomcat in BFM and R24R was better than meme broken 7F which could have been defeated by two sharp turns, its radar and R24R was superior for meta. (sparrow mind you, was fixed only months after F15As introduction, it was poor POS missile that barely worked till recently)
Until F-16s addition which was on par for a looong time with 29, Russia was meta for absolute majority of war thunders existence and even Su-27 was no slouch.
Only now russia enjoys what most nations had to go through under the hand of 15bis, 23MLD, 19PT or 21bis.
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Nah, F-86F-2 team were utterly dominating most of the Air RB match. My only top tier at the time was the german Mig15Bis. Most of the matches were in the Spain map, and red side at the time was losing by points automatically in around 15 minutes of match, if they didn’t lose to the F-86F-2. After that it was the Hunter since nobody could catch it, and then the 17.
Then there was various meta from various nation. J32B with Sweden notably. And then came the supersonics and the T-2 broke the game for good.
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I’m not talking about ancient history here, I’m also not literally saying they were never meta once in WT’s history. I’m saying people cherrypick the few times they were meta in air RB and don’t care about the fact they’re going through a shitty period rn. You are also way off with saying which periods they were meta. USA was meta far more often during those periods than USSR overall.
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that its a joke right? The German sabre was the only meta plane at that time. To the point people on that thing got to the 95% win rate.
gaijin is physically allergic to giving russian jets their targeting pods, let alone the french damocles they used - i WISH they would add them, russian multiroles have been missing a whole half of their ordinance cause we dont have the pods yet. But idk if we have a lot of hope unless there was some big outrage over it, or we finally get some hard evidence for the pods in a more modern ordinance chart for example to force their hand with. Gaijin just is super against adding them for whatever reason.
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Lol wtf
yeah sinful pretty much only plays red side sim, well at least for top tier and until recently - he’s now starting his french arc lmao
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God have mercy…
I have been summoned.
Glory to the almighty Flanker!
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it came like 1-2 years after bis or even longer… OG bis had WEP and was untouchable and when 17 came, it was better.
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You shot me down from out of nowhere while I was turning around and my radar didn’t detect anything. Then you got killed by friendly fire lol haha
This idea that because a tech tree was meta once now it needs to suffer and in the future needs to be meta again needs to stop, it’s what makes the game frustrating for a lot of people.
Also:
MLD was good, but when introduced the F-14 flight model and radar were completely overpowered.
Also sparrows were never dramatically inferior to soviet missiles until R-27ER.
MiG-29A (aka September 2023) was the last time USSR was truly meta, it’s actually been quite a long time, especially in simulator mode from what people who play that say.
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And it’s funny because the only thing it offered was 7% more thrust than the F-86F-2… which had way better guns lmao
Someone forgot how sparrows often refused to track, would self-destruct even after 2-3 second break in lock, would steer off to different universe. At the start, they did this AND on top of that reacted too slowly on enemy maneuvers, so pulling to one side and then switching was enough to defeat them.
Someone forgot that sparrows had more speed and far more range. Not to mention F-14 got 6 of them compared to 2 max R-24R. Still I’m not going to reply anymore to this, it’s just de railing the thread and turning into an “my d*ck is longer than yours” kind of argument
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At what range/altitude/speed do people usually fire the R-27ER if they plan to loft it and drop lock until its close to the target? To target AMRAAM carriers specifically
They fire around 6000m or so and just pick target near cluster of jets. It will probably be close enough to someone to relock. This only works in RB because of clustered enemies.
With 27SM air RB: take low fuel (~19min, more than enough for whole match), climb to at least around 7500m without dropping below mach 1, fire at around 60-55km