Kitsune is correct sm3 doesn’t get irbis e, that’s exclusive to the su-30sm2 and the su-35 if i’m not mistaken… Current war thunder SM is almost a SM3
Btw what does it lack before we can start calling it SM3? I think it got all of the SM3 improvements didn’t it?
From Su-27SM3 suggestion:
R-77 double rails do not count. Although since they are pretty much fictional for both versions it’s effectively an SM3
im about to bug report the bug report team.
like, how dude
Why ?? If nothing. With the Rafale that we got in game. Even the Su-35S should be fine. And if we get a Su-30sm it should be the SM2. Or we will get a second Su-27sm case on RU tree… Another mediocre model and like you said it has about the same thrust. At least SM2 use Su-35s engine.
wasnt the su30sm already leaked or is that just my imagination
yea that its the sad part.
why, the 30sm is pretty damn good. we really dont need stuff like the irbis yet, or the r37m on a platfrom like that. it still gets the bars, tvc as far as i know, and decent missile options.
they gave the rafale an aesa radar but if it comes to funcionality its basically the exact same as the su34 which has a pesa radar. irbis wont add anything new over the bars aside from just being better (while the bars should be good enough)
Not even close, su-30sm would have the best radar ingame if added this update.
How when Rafale has an AESA radar?. and Irisb on Su-35s its PESA.
In fairness, the jump from T-10 to T-10S is way bigger than T-10S to Su-27S.
Devs clearly spent some time working on the FM. They likely are spending a LOT of time now, prepping for TVC. I can’t tell you how mad so many people are going to be if TVC is shit. This is the biggest reason for the wait.
Otherwise, without TVC on, we basically have the same plane now (Su-27SM) in a straight line, minus radar, with slightly less weight. Without a doubt, the defining feature of the Su-30SM will actually be the N011M, not the TVC that everyone will drool over.
Current rafale radar sucks
It’s a different case compared to the rafale. The M2K isn’t going to get any better than what it is now, and many countries lacked competitive stuff (mainly Germany), and after the F-15E got added with 229s they decided to pull the trigger on the EFT, and getting EFT without Rafale would be lame.
Unlike the M2K both the Su-27 and MiG-29 have versions that are from the exact time frame we have in game (late 90s and early 2000s) that would fit very well. If we get the Su-30sm those versions will be useless (assuming the flight performance of the Su-30sm is really that good and that TVC is modelled correctly).
What would be similar with the 30sm and rafale is that they are both planes with sensors (aka radars) that are (once the rafale radar is fixed) FAR too good for the missiles we have in game (any radar better than the F-16C’s apg66 has very marginal returns in game since we barely fire missiles 40km away).
the rafale got fixed today
How’s its radar?
good, same type of tws the su34 has
Yup imo they should Focus more on these middle 4th gen aircraft, let those efts and rafales kill themselves at 14.0+ br
Interesting, what about the EFT?
the eurofighter? still garbage lmao
i would genuinely take the MiG-23s radar over it
I plan on grinding it after i finish spading the su34, i hope they fix it until then
You’re crazy for that. It’s basically the same as gripen radar, it’s fine