As much of a brick as F-15E, and as-fast at lower altitudes too.
9.12 and 9.13 historically had R-60Ms as well.
If you want R-73, use different Migs and stop trying to ruin good flight models with bad BR changes when there are better alternatives like Mig-29 9.13S and Mig-29K.
There’s also Su-27 if you want R-73s.
J8F = 2 PL12 + 4PL8
Yak 141 = 2R77 + 2R73 / 4 R77
Pretty much equal, but PL8 is clearly not competitive, nor is two PL12. I would say if PL8B comes in it would be unquestionable which is better.
That’s an annoying cocky response.
People like to play with their favorite planes the way they are supposed to be and there’s nothing wrong with asking for a realism+balance improvement like for example the 27er removal combined with the r73s addition since those are far more op than the Archer and unfair for other jets that don’t have such a powerful bvr missile, or at least the addition of a new variant on which they can call It “mig-29 late” being the same shit but with r73s.
@dragonflaine71
R-60Ms are realistic and authentic.
R-73s would make Mig-29 9.12/9.13 13.x irrelevant of R-27ER, cause that’s where the Mig-29G is.
As I said, there’s Mig-29K and Mig-29 9.13S, and 9.13S isn’t R-77 compatible to my knowledge so 9.13S is a perfect option for 13.x Soviets with R-73s.
This guy is a fanatic believer in Russian aircraft, not only EF2000 or other aircraft, but he also has a demanding and contemptuous attitude towards Chinese aircraft.
I think J8F should get IRCCM, preferably with a rating of 13.0, and of course it is not impossible to go to the 13.3 level.
29G would still be relevant If the 27er is made exclusive to It tho.
I agree that the addition of a new variant like the S would be better than the upgrade of the regular 9.13/9.12 but there are no signals of those coming soon and i still think the 27ER is overkill against poor phantoms
is su-27sk manual fine to use in a bug report
Supercruise is mostly related to core temp & exhaust velocity on military power.
On a prop the thrust drops towards nil as speed increases, but in a jet you’re only really worried about the exhaust velocity relative to own airspeed because the raw thrust increases with airspeed (until the airframe breaks apart, a little after that it falls off).
It’s not raw thrust or engine size.
Should be fine I think. At very least for J-11, but since it literally carbon copy of Su-27 I dont see any issues
Going off your comments I assume you are trying to make some sort of point that if the F-15 (or MiG-29 as you said previously) can’t supercruise then surely there is no way the Eurofighter can.
Well here’s a page from the Lightning F.6 manual (an aircraft from the 1960s) showing that it can accelerate to supersonic speeds without afterburner.
It’s almost as if one aircraft being able (or not able) to do something is meaningless when it comes to discussing what a different aircraft can or cannot do.
not exactly, because the su-27sk is roughly 200+ kg heavier, but ingeneral, yes
It’s actually in the ballpark of 500kg.
sheesh
its very early 1950s prototype could supercruise
Stinger, Mistral, and other MANPADS staring at this revelation
Supercruise as going supersonic, technically yes, most jets can technically do this at the right conditions, like a Lightning. EF2k’s cruise, but most pointedly F-22’s is relevant because it is faster (~1.4-1.5), which is the original meaning of supercruise.
F-15 technically can but that would be like arguing the merits of the F-106’s ‘supercruise’.
He did not go into the supersonic zone
Also, do not forget that the Lightning has a greater wing sweep
It very much does.
Per the Cambridge dictionary supersonic is defined as “faster than the speed of sound”. The speed of sound is Mach 1.0 and on both graphs it quite comfortable exceeded Mach 1.0 without Reheat
Let’s move EFT talk to the EFT thread
