What are the implications of this in regards to the FM or making a report?
Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection
Significantly improved low speed sustained turn rate and energy retention
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I would like a tech mods reaction to this, are we wasting our time still or will the devs be willing to adjust the FM based on this new information. If not, how many discrepancies must be found until they determine it is worthwhile? 5? 10? 20?
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It would trade acceleration/energy gain in slight turns (and some low speed climb ability) for more energy retention when pulling hard
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It is sad, Gaijin and bvvd being originally based out of Russia, I would imagine that they would want to take action as soon as possible to evaluate reports on inaccuracies on the Flanker.
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We do not know where the current flight model devs are from, but they seem to be abhorrent as of late. Ever since the introduction of more modern fighters where their flight model is stretched to the limits - they have been quite awful.
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It seems that the values for vehicles like MiG-29 and Su-27 are definitely on the lower end of matching their EM diagrams, while for vehicles like F-16, they are quite optimistic.
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That’s why i don’t even get excited anymore when they announce a new plane, even if it’s an iconic one (like the su34 which is rumoured to be added on the next update), because it means more trash being accumulated, thus lowering the chances of fixing vehicles added on past updates.
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They openly admitted the primary reason they don’t want to fix the F-5 series is because they are already “old FM’s”
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how would that change things given the su34 also is a flanker? not to mention it follows the common theme of taking a decent successful air-frame add a ton of avionics strengthening the air-frame
and voila your turned your fighting into a cas bus
mig27 and mig29smt comes to mind
also the su34 comes with the luxury of 2 comrades sitting side by side
the su34 weights 37% more than the su27 if the Wikipedia numbers are accurate and brings more fuel
the gross weight of the su34 exceeds the maximum take of weight from the su27
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Missing the point of his statement entirely only to ruin yours by making it clear that it will be an entirely different FM.
Things that surprise nobody for 500 please.
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different yes but worse
its pretty much the mig29 vs mig29smt situation all over again the su34 might have a more instantaneous turn rate given the canards but the main problem people seam to have with the su27 which is energy preservation in turns, will get worse
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Which again, means that they will likely continue to avoid fixing the FM’s.
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conclusion they have to fix the flight models for su27 style aircraft or the su34 will be a total struggle bus like the su24m(which is also severely under-powered because it has the worst afterburner in the game despite having su17/su22m4 engines )
both afterburners provide has much extra trust has a single me262 engine enjoy
And so it will be a struggle bus
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Statcard thrust is useless. Look at dynamics thrust engines get better at speed.
The su34’s performance doesn’t depend on the su-27 one because both will have completely different FMs, the differences between the su34 and the original flanker are much more relevant than the 9.13 and the SMT, which is basically the og fulcrum with more weight with little to 0 modifications on the airframe.
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yes but its about the lack of extra power while using afterburner wen all other planes with that engine accelerate properly
That is ideally, but with Snail’s track record - they prob will just modify Su-27 FM with accounting for more drag and heavier weight
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Well that’s actually a good point, i wouldn’t be surprised given the laziness they have been showing lately.
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