Oh lord this myth again.
The reason old delta wings lost so much energy is weak engines and too long of airframes.
2x 9000+kgf engines fix that issue, and future ones get even stronger.
Su-27 and F-15C still dogfight similarly.
Both have strong weapons.
It’s just that the Su-27s have lightbulbs for RWR.
That got flared by a gripen that didn’t even know it was coming, because he was periodic flaring infinitely, with engines that are cooler than a cigarette
Or the F-16C with engines cooler than a Cigar, that fired a Aim-7M and "accidentally "spoofed your “so good ET”
How about not firing a IR missile at a plane that simply puts automatic flares on since it has 600 of them? Fire the ET1 at somebody else.
They don’t even need to flare. Firing 1 random missile is all it takes.
Or flaring any other missile fired at you, will flare the ET as well.
You claiming that Su27 was meta is a joke.
The meta was İRCCM missile low level flying.
Which the Gripen did best. After that, F-16C
Idk Malekitth, it seems pretty obvious that you are exaggerating:
(second row is your Su-27)
So me, having better skill then some level 10 clueless bomber main, makes it “exaggerating”?
Buddy i’m simply saying that the plane was not that bad before Fox-3 as you’re trying to depict it.
İt never “dominated the meta” like you claimed.
Gripen and F-16C did.
Then stop claiming BS.
sorry but they didn’t, they were certainly good platforms but that was just because of the r27er, and the r27er was only used to punish players who flew higher than the 100m (old multipath), other than that, any f16/gripen/mirage/f15 that managed to get close would win immediately or at least 80% of the time
He’s just making it all up
Future reference, it’s just better to go from the rank to the relevant frags with snipping tool:
It’s a better KDR than his Mig-23MLD, and both are better than his F-14A which is predictable.
About as well as his F-14B which is predictable.
From my personal experience you could rinse any other aircraft, just get positioning and don’t go furball.
Then nerf the F-15C and Gripen and F-16C into oblivion, to that of made up garbage ahistorical SU-27 flight model level, just like the way it is with SU-27, since they could just ‘‘rinse any other aircraft, just by good positioning and not going into furball’’
Do you agree?
Honestly it didn’t feel like you were so trash in close quarters in the first place since HMD + R73 is still pretty potent and can make up some of the airframe issues.
I don’t quite get your point tbh.
Joke missile vs the joke level heat produced by F-16C/GRIPEN engines. The F-5Cs of top tier. Works well only against F-15/MIG-29/SU-27. Hot planes.
i mean, my r73 couldnt even track the gripen with full afterburner on if he was using flares like a maniac, so at least against the gripen i couldnt do anything at all (but im mostly talking about when the gripen got added)
F-15C, F-16C, and Gripen are already nerfed to their charts.
The only over-performing F-16 airframe is the F-16A and it’s only overperforming at high speeds due to bugs with Gaijin’s “g-limiter”.
Since you say all that it takes to rinse any other aircraft, is to just get good positioning and not going into furball"
So im saying, is that if the SU-27 can be nerfed ahistorically to become beyond garbage tier, so can the F-16C and Gripen.
Since it all does not matter.
From personal experience my R73s did fine, from extremely close their IRCCM felt decent, sometimes completely ignored people spamming flares (after launch). It might be my personal opinion and experience but the aircraft felt good and i was still learning how to play top-tier since it was my first true top tier jet, stuff like J-8F was completely different.
