This is evidence totally worth discussing & changing my position on. But blindly saying its useless (not saying you said this) is propaganda because Russia, US & China utilize these in their 5th generation fighters.
This is a very specialized combat capability of the 3 world superpowers in air-to-air combat. I am happy to see you take it a little more seriously & open investigation into it.
there is nothing supernatural about its aerodynamics.Moreover, its aerodynamic quality is worse than the Su-27. There is nothing surprising about the thrust vector either. Yes, the design solutions of the engine itself are very interesting
Understood, & I agree.
It does not have quite the ability to control its side slipping like the Flanker.
Only one aircraft has a 3D TVC, this is the MiG-29OVT
I heard one negative thing about this aircraft was the poor visibility the canards induced. Nothing to do with performance. Read it was quite good iirc.
Btw… Why do you think they considered thrust vectoring in the F-15?? For 6th generation ACE application in 6th generation fighters? :)
Is there a video of the work?
So, since you, someone who is not a pilot, a combat pilot, or a Russian trained combat pilot cannot think of any scenarios. Means it’s never been used offensively ever?
Why would it be used offensively on non-supermaneuverable aircraft? Supermaneuverable aircraft turn better by default you do understand? Angles of attack 90 degrees and above is not the only benefit of the capability. Control and better conventional maneuverability increase besides alpha.
Are you implying the Soviet Union, Russia, China & the US invested in nothing?
Forget bug reports you better call your State representative & tell them they are making a huge mistake wasting your taxpayer’s dollars all these years on useless capabilities.
Probably an archive with lots of footage. It received the 3D nozzles while on loan to NASA. Prior to this it was using 2D nozzles, and there is also footage of that, but likely not during its early tests
Pretty cool. Did it pave the way for 6th generation ACE applications to reduce the runways lengths a few hundred feet well into the 2040s & beyond?
The F-15 program with thrust vectoring was specifically aimed at reducing takeoff and landing distance
Edit: *and increasing max takeoff weight
That’s pretty cool! STOL you mean? :)
F-15 STOL/MTD
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Usually when people say STOL they are referring to a more Harrier/F-35B type takeoff or landing. The modifications to the F-15 for this program significantly improved takeoff and landing roll, but not to those levels
That is a response I can respect. it’s true, people get the two mistaken. But not this user :)
Glad to see we can come to an agreement on something.
Perhaps you may have made the mistake of assuming STOL exclusively meant in the way harriers & the F-35 execute it? Sounds like it there.
A very contradicting statement, don’t you think?
Short-landing Su-57
It was a 3D nozzle (F-15 ACTIVE) I think the VT on the F-15 was earlier than the Sukhoi. Even the first design was in the late 60’s for the FX program.
Thrust vector appeared with the theme of VTOL development
It’s a gimmick that has no usefulness in actual combat. We can create and dream up scenarios where it is, but the reality is that if an F22 pilot, or any pilot ever ever actually needed to use it something has seriously gone very wrong.
Super maneuverability is not a requirement on the NGAD.
The F22 is going to be retired before the F15.
Is that so, and what aircraft did you fly in the military?
This is honestly the most cringe thing. Grown men on a video game forum declaring what is useless in aerial combat of 4th & 5th generation fighters they never flew & never touched of a country they are not even from. In Air Forces they never served. None of you dudes are even pilots bruh…
It’s super cringe. It’s like saying I can totally beat up a Navy Seal or Spetsnaz operator in CQB.
Wanna bet? The F-22 is going through extensive upgrades.
The F-22 Is Finally Getting Some Much Needed Upgrades - The Aviationist
Thank you for making up information. :)
That is the inevitability of war.
Things go wrong all the time in the Fog of War.
The enemy can slip undetected in the Fog of War. You prepare for when crap hits the fan, not when everything is all sunshine & rainbows.
Read a book dude.
