@Grimtax
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/0GPpvSFq9j45
wing area 62.04m2 not 65
Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection
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Ahahaha. The SM2 version never existed…The Su-27SM has nothing to do with the Su-35. The Su-35 of the first generation is the T10M tail number 710
Calling Su-27SM first generation Su-35S is still wrong
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Why?.. Su-27M he should have received such a name in the Air Forces if adopted… The prototypes are T-10M…In 1992 formed the appearance and name of the export version of the Su-35…
In 1995, three production aircraft were built under the name Su-35…
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Su-27SM is not first generation Su-35S. I said it before that Su-27M(T-10M) is the one that can be called that. There are no Su-35 made from Su-27SM(Serial Modernized) as far as I know. NATO is claiming Su-27SM is first generation Su-35 which is not true.
But excuse me! I didn’t see one letter…Of course not, the first generation of the Su-35 is the T-10M(Su-27M)/Su-35…
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Russian aircraft markings are always quite complicated
It seems there is some confusion regarding my statement about the generation statement of the
Su-27SM to the Su-35S. To clarify, I am not suggesting that the Su-35S was directly built upon the Su-27SM platforms. Instead, my point is about the historical and developmental lineage that led to the Su-35S.
Historically, the Su-27SM was the first significant upgrade to the Su-27, introducing new avionics, weapons systems, and capabilities. This can be seen as the first generation in the modernized Su-27 series. Following this, the Su-27SM2 and Su-27SM3 represented further advancements, each incorporating more sophisticated technology and improvements over their predecessors. These successive upgrades can be considered the second and third generations as mentioned, respectively.
Finally, the Su-35S represents the final iteration of this evolutionary process. While it is a highly advanced and distinct aircraft, its development was influenced by the technological and operational lessons learned from the Su-27SM, SM2, and SM3. Therefore, when I refer to the Su-27SM, SM2, SM3, and Su-35S as first, second, third, and fourth generations, respectively, I am speaking about the historical progression and technological evolution that led to the final development of the Su-35S. Now this is quite logical right so everyone should be able to follow where I am going with this.
In summary, the Su-27SM, SM2, and SM3 were critical steps in the evolution that eventually resulted in the Su-35S, which is why both the SM3 and Su-35S finished development approx. around 2008 and they both had their maiden flights in 2008, but the Su-35S is not built directly upon the Su-27SM platforms. This was rather the Su-27M which some have mentioned. BUT this was just a short period of a demonstration life and not an actual used platform as the first, second, and third gens are as I have now stated. They are rather the product of a continuous improvement and modernization process which then again inevitably resulted in the final state of the Su-35S.
Please notice I am saying Su-35S not Su-35 and the three Su-35 that were acquired by the RUAF is not mentioned by me once as they were hangar queens their entire life almost. And as I will be saying in the latter unless you are an employee at UAC that has first hand info about their developments being separate then there is no universal declaration about this.
This is EXTREMELY logical, I hope this clears up any misunderstandings and honestly no point in arguing about this anymore.
It seems a lot of us are very passionate about this aircraft series. I will have my opinion, You can have yours. Unless you are an employee at UAC that has first hand information about this there is no point in declaring a universal statement.
Thanks.
The first upgrade was the 27m, if you want to use logic.
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It was a demonstrator do you even read what I say. It was not a production unit.
There’s no logic in your statement.
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Well broaden your mind my friend it seems like you refuse to learn after reading but I wont judge.
The sm3 is from 2008 the 35 is from 1992 you told tò yourself that the 35 comes from the 27m which Is correct, but 35 Is not an upgrade tò the sm3, neither the development was derived from the sm3, because they are 2 different projects with different ideas in mind, one is an upgrade package, the other one is a continuation of a soviet project.
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Can i take it like T-series for more simplify explaination ?
T-72B and it’s mordernization like 72B2/B3 like SM/SM3
T-90 is Su-35, which is share some aspect but not the whole thing.
Same thing for the t80ue and t80bvm
Again you just don’t read what I say but make up things like I have said it when I have not.
I quite clearly stated I am talking about the Su-35S and NOT the Su-35.
With this in mind, what I am saying should make more sense to you now.
They are basically the same plane other that one Is the production model.
The 35 has a different airframe from the 27s that’s why you can upgrade the 27s to the sm3 but you can’t upgrade the 27sm3 into a 35s.
No.
Please stop being stubborn bro it is quite logical I know you know.
There was no development on the Su-27M (35) from its maiden flight up to the Su-35S.
My point now right as I have said again and again now IS that the upgrades applied to sm sm2 sm3 have been PUT onto and improved into what is the final iteration Su-35S.
The cockpit is quite literally taken right from the Sm series and everything is the same about them excluding, engines, radar, EO.
If it wasn’t for the SM series there would have been more to the Su-27M.
How would it just make a leap from 1988 to 2008?
That is not how Russia modernizes, improves or introduces new technology.
You guys quite literally proved that with T-72B —> T-90M.
While not a DIRECT development T-90M would not have been had it not been for the T-72B, B2, B3!!