Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection

[dragonflaine71]

Interesting, what about the EFT?

[noobnooby657]

the eurofighter? still garbage lmao
i would genuinely take the MiG-23s radar over it

[dragonflaine71]

I plan on grinding it after i finish spading the su34, i hope they fix it until then

[kizvy]

You’re crazy for that. It’s basically the same as gripen radar, it’s fine

[noobnooby657]

i feel its biggest issue is that it doesnt store the targets for long enough so everything just drops off of tws before the next scan hits

[Giovanex05]

@noobnooby657

the eurofighter? still garbage lmao
i would genuinely take the MiG-23s radar over it

Eurofighter Typhoon (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion

TWS fix has hit dev. [image]

[noobnooby657]

last time i played the gripen it didnt just lose lock

[Temeraire]

@dragonflaine71

Current rafale radar sucks

Yea but that its a bug and don’t change that its an AESA radar.

@Giovanex05

It’s a different case compared to the rafale. The M2K isn’t going to get any better than what it is now, and many countries lacked competitive stuff (mainly Germany), and after the F-15E got added with 229s they decided to pull the trigger on the EFT, and getting EFT without Rafale would be lame.
Unlike the M2K both the Su-27 and MiG-29 have versions that are from the exact time frame we have in game (late 90s and early 2000s) that would fit very well. If we get the Su-30sm those versions will be useless (assuming the flight performance of the Su-30sm is really that good and that TVC is modelled correctly).

What would be similar with the 30sm and rafale is that they are both planes with sensors (aka radars) that are (once the rafale radar is fixed) FAR too good for the missiles we have in game (any radar better than the F-16C’s apg66 has very marginal returns in game since we barely fire missiles 40km away).

Idk man. I just feel that for once RU should get a good Flanker not just a mediocre one that would lose fight because it don’t have enough engine power.

[noobnooby657]

im playing it as we speak, its still bad

[PestoMystic]

@Giovanex05

There’s no apparent reason on why the Su-30 wasn’t chosen over the 34

Correct. Su-30M could’ve done everything Russian top-tier needs right now, Su-34 was just too much, too quick.

@Giovanex05

but in the sense that it would be completely made up FM and avionics wise

Su-30MKI rolled off the line an KnAAPO 20 years ago man, it ain’t NEW-new, it’s just new. We know PLENTY about it at this point. Question is if the devs want to trust the sources the community finds them, or sit back a quote the wrong flight manual for key statistics.

@Giovanex05

It’s also better to receive it when more modern weapons arrive imho.

No new weapons on the horizon per the last dev Q&A. So idk about that man. Gonna be a long wait.

@Giovanex05

Also I don’t really understand why everyone wants the Su-30SM. Even if we don’t want to look at fulcrums the Su-27M exists and it would suit warthunder better than the su30 imho.

It’s the first tandem Flanker at this point that makes sense to add. Su-27M would be a mixed bag. Marginally better radar (N001VEP vs N011), same engine performance, no TVC compared to Su-27SM. Su-30SM has the N011M, which is actually a hybrid PESA, TVC gives it marginally better WVR.

@noobnooby657

wasnt the su30sm already leaked

Yes.

@noobnooby657

we really dont need stuff like the irbis yet

Agreed. That’s why SM2 comes after SM imo, either as a folder or a new plane.

[Giovanex05]

@kizvy

You’re crazy for that. It’s basically the same as gripen radar, it’s fine

if you have the German EFT it is fine, it’s the UK and Italian one that are bugged).

[dragonflaine71]

Let’s also not forget that the mig-31 got passed to the devs, depending on the kit it might be painful for those who will face it

[Giovanex05]

@PestoMystic

It’s the first tandem Flanker at this point that makes sense to add. Su-27M would be a mixed bag. Marginally better radar (N001VEP vs N011), same engine performance, no TVC compared to Su-27SM. Su-30SM has the N011M, which is actually a hybrid PESA, TVC gives it marginally better WVR.

Su-27M radar is FAR better than the one we have in game, instead of a garbage cassagrein radar it has an actual slotted array antenna (same type of radar as F-15C,E F-16C, Eurofighter, MiG.29SMT, Mirage2000F etc. and most 4th gen aircraft) and it tracks 5 more targets (15 instead of 10) in TWS and can fire at 4 more (6 instead of 2).
It also gets two more pylons, canards and the rearward radar. One of the Su-27M aircraft also got TVC.

MiG-29M has much less fancy features but it checks all the basics (phased array radar, good rwr, good amount of missiles) and is the closest flight performance to the eurofighter Russia/USSR can get without Su-35 or more advanced Su-30sm variants.

[dragonflaine71]

Fbw + improved engines makes the fulcrum a menace

[Giovanex05]

@PestoMystic

Su-30MKI rolled off the line an KnAAPO 20 years ago man, it ain’t NEW-new, it’s just new. We know PLENTY about it at this point. Question is if the devs want to trust the sources the community finds them, or sit back a quote the wrong flight manual for key statistics.

Isn’t the Su-30SM a DEEP upgrade of the original MKI that came 20 years ago thought?

[Gunjob]

@noobnooby657

im playing it as we speak, its still bad

“Has hit dev” is not “fix in production”. It will turn up in one of the next hotfixes.

[noobnooby657]

knew it

[ID_Heaven]

Doesn’t F-15C, MiG-29SMT and etc have slotted antennas? And Su-27M too.

[Giovanex05]

@ID_Heaven

Doesn’t F-15C, MiG-29SMT and etc have slotted antennas? And Su-27M too

yup, missprint on my part, edited it

[noobnooby657]

27M was never completed though?