Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@MythicPi

I blocked squishface cuz hes spent the last 3 years hunting me down on every new platform he can find to harass me simply because he didnt like a reddit post i made about sparrows back then, its creepy, not conducive to a good discussion, and irrelevant to this thread lmao. If this wasnt the internet, id just get a restraining order for stalkers like him.

Mood

[MiG_23M]

This seems pretty one sided and kinda weird you just knew all of this off hand. You constantly post bait and then act surprised when people call you on it. Right now you’re trying to derail the conversation conveniently when discussion that would lead to a potential report on the Su-27 was taking place…

[TheArcticFoxxo]

Both the N001 and N011 are PESAs.

[_Fantom2451]

N001 is Cassegrain antenna… N011 is slotted array from Su-27M… Su-30MKK, MK2, M2 use N001V(EP)
PESA is N011M that’s used by Su-30SM, MKI, MKM.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@_Fantom2451

N001 is Cassegrain antenna…

Which doesn’t exclude it from being a PESA? You understand that phased arrays can consist of many different antenna designs and methodology, right?

@_Fantom2451

N011 is slotted array from Su-27M…

Again, the aperture does not define whether the radar is or isn’t a PESA.

[_Fantom2451]

[BBCRF]

N001

N011M

[TheArcticFoxxo]

Ah, checked up on it. I’m an idiot

[TheArcticFoxxo]

Is it not?

[UnknownDistance]

MythicPi is making accusations so I think it is fair that I should be able to defend myself.

I have a fairly good memory as far as my interactions with other people go and I can also just go look at my own history to get most of the facts straight.

And when people have routinely bad takes I tend to remember them. Heck I remember killing you with an Aim-9M and the A-10C on Denmark probably a month or so ago while you were trying to dogfight an F-5E near the island.

Heck I remember you claiming that the F-14 was the best plane in the game around 2 years ago and claiming that the MiG-29 needed the R-73 back then in order to be competitive in Air RB. This was before the flight model was nerfed to it’s current state by the way.

I also remember you claiming that the Su-27 flight model was accurate or even over-performing when other people were saying the opposite.

[dragonflaine71]

[UnknownDistance]

Su-27 Real vs War Thunder

[BBCRF]

MythicPi
He still believes that Raphael defeated the Su-35 in Egypt with the help of EW. Although this has never actually happened

[EnglishTeaKett1e]

The even more funny thing is that the Flanker seems to lose to the Eagle one-circle at similar fuel conditions currently

[MiG_23M]

@UnknownDistance

I also remember you claiming that the Su-27 flight model was accurate or even over-performing when other people were saying the opposite.

It is in regards to sustained turn rate, all the other takes are still accurate.
How are you gonna do a 180 and defend him all of a sudden? Oh, and of course you’d remember if you shot me down. I’m notorious.

[UnknownDistance]

@MiG_23M

It is in regards to sustained turn rate, all the other takes are still accurate.

At the time you seemed to believe that it was accurate in terms of specific excess power.

1. The flight model has not been changed since this conversation.
2. There have been at least 3 bug reports that have been made using the manual as a source and showing that the sustained turn rate does not match the manuals.

The reason that you are kind of infamous amongst the War Thunder community at large is because of your inability to ever admit that you are wrong.

@MiG_23M

How are you gonna do a 180 and defend him all of a sudden? Oh, and of course you’d remember if you shot me down. I’m notorious.

Who am I defending? Myself or MythicPi?

In all fairness to Mythic Pi, he fell into trope that Su-27 flight model is actually very good in sim. This is a common enough occurrence that any time it comes up I offer for the player to prove that it really isn’t and that it’s pretty reliably beaten by NATO flight models and exploiting its lack of specific excess power is pretty straight forward.

Also I made mental note of killing you with A-10C because I was surprised you never weighed in on A-10C and Aim-9M being at 11.3 in Sim. And I was wondering if you would stick around in a game where you were not doing well in.

[UnknownDistance]

At best they are roughly equal and it just results in mutual head-on in the first turn.

[MiG_23M]

@UnknownDistance

At the time you seemed to believe that it was accurate in terms of specific excess power.

What I said and what you claim I said are two separate things entirely

@UnknownDistance

• The flight model has not been changed since this conversation.
• There have been at least 3 bug reports that have been made using the manual as a source and showing that the sustained turn rate does not match the manuals.

The weights used in the reports were incorrect and in specific scenarios that I was involved in testing it was slightly overperforming if the weight the devs gave was used. What is the point?

@UnknownDistance

The reason that you are kind of infamous amongst the War Thunder community at large is because of your inability to ever admit that you are wrong.

So you put words in my mouth so I’m wrong?

[dragonflaine71]

Do you have DCS’s mig29 and su27 modules? I think it would be interesting to see how these planes behave compared to their war thunder counterparts, if they are correctly following the g charts etc. This have absolute no value for reports it’s just out of curiosity.

[MiG_23M]

They are also incorrect, @BBCRF and some others work on a mod that has a far more realistic flanker FM.