The presence of A-A weapons does not significantly affect the piloting of the Su-27
It’s not a cobra. AoA has not reached 90 degrees.On the cobra, it is 110-130
Nobody said anything about piloting, i specifically talked about pulling Cobra with full loadout and fuel.
You were saying? 120 degree requirement is just something that Russian claims considering Sweden pilot was doing this maneuver before Russians had nerve to pull it.
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However, he is considered to be the cobra. And not what the Swedes showed
The cobra maneuver is also part of the aerobatics. And I’ve already explained it to you. Watch the pitch moments
full A-A ammo
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Sweden’s performed this maneuver before Russians, any russian claims is irrevelant in this case.
Also it doesnt matter if you reach 90 degree or 120, if you manage to pull this move in right time you will get your opponents behind no matter what.
Finally, something i was asking for two days is finally here.
Are those mockups missiles or real ones?
Also it seems Cobra maneuver performed at really low speed which indicates this was more of a Show move rather than actual combat one.
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It is the maneuver performed on the Su-27 that is generally recognized
The rockets are not real, they are mass-dimensional models
it is impossible to estimate the speed from the video
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Not exactly . By the time Su-27 was produced and perform Cobra maneuver Swedish pilots were already doing that.
J35 is older than Su-27.
Do they weight same around as real ones?
Also as far as i know Cobra maneuver should be performed at 650ias in combat scenarios, in video however Su-35 was flying much slower i believe.
Last but not least Su-35 should have better airframe strength compare to Su-27 not to mention it has more powerful engines and TVC, so its possible to perform Cobra maneuver with loadout in Su-35.
It doesn’t matter what the Swedes did before.Once again, the generally accepted cobra maneuver is the one that was shown on the Su-27
yep
You’ll never know in the video. How fast he was flying. The Su-35 in the video is an early prototype made from the T10M, it does not have a TVC
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So you didn’t read or understand what I said at all or are actively ignoring it to argue for the sake of… arguing. Just stop it. Enjoy the above video with the Su-27 variant performing Cobra with air to air load.
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Well, empirical evidence there, case closed i guess.
Another video that haunts us russian fighters enthusiasts is the one comparing the energy retention of the ingame su-27 to an irl one, they posted like 3 months ago I wish i remember the Channel. It was recorded from the cockpit, I think y’all know which video i’m talking about.
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So there was a chance to see the Su-35 with canards, interesting.
I already did, cause unlike you he actually came up with concrete evidence which what was i asking from the beginning.
Since situation is resolved no need to further this conversation.
the VTAS helmet was designed on the benefits of SEAM and using slaving the Aim-9’s seeker to whatever the pilot was seeing. Im pretty sure it wasnt used to actually slave the Radar.
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VTAS excerpts
oh dang ok nvm. I remember reading that it could slave the radar via the Helmet, but thought it wasnt possible cuz of the old radar design
@tripod2008 so was it possible to get a radar lock and fire an Aim-7 with the Helmet, like we can in game?
Technically you shouldn’t even need a radar lock For a Sparrow Launch, though BST (Boresight) mode would require you to keep the nose pointed near the target for the entire flight of the missile(unless jammed via continuous Noise) further manual control of the Antenna by the RIO would be theoretically possible but entirely lacks non head down feedback so would have a very low Pk.
Theoretically both SEAM and auxiliary manual guidance modes modes could be used but it would degrade guidance quality and bypass some of the filters that reduce clutter seen by the missile.
Also the F-4B / F-110A & Early F-4C would have access to the AAA-4 IRST which could slave the Antenna in place of a radar lock and so confer Look Down capability, the F-4E has a similar AXX-1 TISEO and F-14A &-14Bs (should) have the ALR-23 IRSTS and AXX-1 TCS
But that feature isn’t modeled even though some of the systems are present in game (F-14B & TCS / Kurnass 2000 & ASX-1 TISEO).
Also as an aside the F-8’s radar should have an ACM mode
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/OH5oxPyk5tXc
and the F-8s IRST should be able to attempt to transition to a radar lock-on (Range Burst Feature).
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yeah but thats for the F-4E, would it work for the APG-59 in the J?
nvm I see what ur saying
Yup, I found the video comparing the two:
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