did india bought the Mig23? upgrade their own mig21 is a better and cheaper choice than bought mig23s which its line is already been removed
Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection
most of the mig23 owner has better choice after 1991 or when they need to upgrade their air force, mig23 is a good plane but in a wrong time
Your going completely off topic and not even relevant to the point dude said.
He said single engines fighters were outlawed in the Soviet Union due to some imaginary politics and law. That is not true whatsoever.
The RUSSIANS abandoned the Mig23 and stuck with the Mig21 (single engine fighter) and upgraded them throughout the 90s and sold them abroad. There is nothing more to discuss about it. At least in the Flanker thread.
Just fix the damn radar on the Sukhoi , this is an utter garbage radar.
Also increase the İRST vertical angles +/- 15 is a joke
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russians not really use mig21 anymore since mig29 and SU27 coming, you can see that russian only use mig29/SU27/Mig25 improved now, the only reason that russian make some upgraded mig21 just because mig21 is so good that it still can been used for a long time if it been upgraded for those old mig21 owners
mig21 is good, but you cant say that mig23 is a bad plane just because it wasnt been used anymore
Did they shit the FM already?
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The maintenance for the MiG-23 was not the issue, the lack of available parts became a problem. Same issue Iran has with the F-14 but they’ve found ways around the issues. Doesn’t make the F-14 an awful fighter just because parts aren’t available NOW.
The fact that the MiG-23ML scored 2:1 against the F-14 in a realistic peer to peer combat zone IRL goes to show how great the aircraft was.
India used the MiG-23, especially the MiG-27 variants of which they finally retired them in 2019. They kept them in service in spite of buying MiG-29s, Mirage 2000s, Su-27s, etc… Goes to show it was such a good aircraft that with small alterations they were able to make it a great air to air or air to ground platform. Not quite a 4th gen fighter, but certainly ahead of it’s third generation peers.
India also got the full technology transfer and licensing to produce parts for their MiG-21 variants and this ability for them to easily modify and produce parts for them has a large part to do with why they opted to upgrade them instead. They can actually keep them operational and replace parts. The airframe service life isn’t an issue because new assemblies can be built.
The MiG-23 remained in service with the Russian Airforce after the dissolution of the USSR. The MiG-21 did not. They gave the MiG-21s they had left to successor states like it was candy to repay debts and kept tight their MiG-23s for a reason. When the Soviet Airforce made cut backs they withdrew any remaining single engine fighter aircraft from service. That’s not to say they didn’t offer upgrade programs for both, they did… but by the time the 90s came around no one was interested in 3rd generation fighters or upgrades unless they had a number of them already. Even so, China offered cheaper upgrades.
Anyhow this is all really off topic, I’ll be willing to discuss it more in the MiG-23 thread.
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Lmao the f-15 pulls more aoa, does it not? Or am I tripping
Guess is a guess, can’t say “I told you so” when you really had no clue what was going to come of it.
No, it does not. In what world is your F-15 doing a Cobra?
Don’t take it so seriously, it was just a comment, but you can admit that my guess was pretty accurate lol
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Pulls more aoa than it should < Rephrase
Is this accurate
F-15 AoA appeared to be correct on the dev server, I’d need to re-test. Peak AoA was ~38-40 degrees… sustained was less than 28 iirc.
How about we focus on the thread topic: SU-27 and it’s variants. I feel that thread has been derailed. What are the differences from last dev server to released SU-27?
It’s radar feels like shit, I don’t have it unlocked yet so I don’t know about the FM, but it wont surprise me if it got shafted as well
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People are doing a lot of complaining, I’ve seen no testing done so until someone shows us it ain’t right… well… we got talk.
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It comes with the times
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How does the N001 have less range than the N019 when the manual says the max range is 100km?
The articles say 140km for a bomber sized target, 100km for a fighter just like in the manual, yet this radar in the game has 80km (x-ray)
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/dGXjmlEm4qIB
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