That’s correct, they have no plans (to my knowledge) to fix the Su-27 either.
Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection
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Rosoboronexport-delivered the first two (of the six remaining in storage at 558 ARZ) Su-30K (former Indian Su-30K upgraded to 558 ARZ.Baranovichi.Belarus)- in the Ethiopian Air Force…The remaining 12 pieces are in service with the Angolan Air Force…
What is wrong with the Su-27? Just a month ago you were claiming that the flight model was accurate before it’s turn rate and energy retention were improved.
The FM is accurate to the sustained turn rate charts and other metrics Gaijin has used. The specific excess power is wrong according to documents not usable for reports or on the forums currently.
We can prove this with secondary sources, but these are not accepted for reports. FM is accurate within the logic that Gaijin uses to test.
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So then you have changed your mind then and think the plane is under-performing?
did they improve the su 27? I’m not following news regarding the game
I don’t think it is underperforming necessarily, there are things that would be buffed and things that would be nerfed. It was funny and entertaining to pose changes as “nerfs” to rile up Gripen fans but death threats and doxxing aren’t very funny.
In any case, the Su-27’s FM isn’t correct. Whether the changes are good or bad… it is not an Su-27 we are seeing in-game.
No.
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lol what happened?
FM Su-27 is absolutely not true, it’s anything but Su-27
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Russia has the same irl problem…
almost as if the limitations of countries irl affect the in game nation 0_0
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Except that Russia could have had a thermal pod for well over a year in-game with vehicles that are already implemented. “Russian bias” as y’all like to say. So not sure how “same irl problem” applies in this case… even slightly.
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No. The Su-27 flight model hasn’t been improved since the first week or so since it came out.
When it first came out, MiG-23M claimed that the Su-27 flight model was “Actually over-performing slightly”.
A few days later Gaijin increased the turn-rate and energy retention of the Su-27 flight model by noticeable margins to the point where it is today.
Back then I posed the question to him of why it was changed if it was already over-performing…and received the answer that the turn rate and energy retention improvements were in fact not improvements…but “lateral changes”.
And now the claim that is being made within the thread is that the Su-27 is underperforming due to a lack of energy retention / lack of specific excess power.
So what I am trying to follow is what process actually supports that conclusion because he acted incredulous when I suggested in-effect the same thing.
It wasn’t a claim, it was shown during testing and comparison to the manuals sustained turn rate charts. In this specific case - it was overperforming slightly.
After further reading and reports it was adjusted to the proper manual (earlier Su-27 model performance) and as we know, thrust was reduced. There were significant changes to the FM since that point. The turn rates were adjusted based on speed similarly to how the Gripen’s thrust was adjusted based on speed. The F-15 had the same treatment.
These changes did not increase the performance a whole lot, and decreased them in other areas. This is a “lateral change” since it doesn’t outright improve or degrade the aircraft performance as a whole.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say - seems to me it is obvious you’re actively trying to misconstrue what I’ve said or reported. I wasn’t even the person handling the Su-27 reports.
What I said was true at the time it was said, and about the topics being discussed. The FM as a whole is still wrong - something we learned when BBCRF pointed out the errors multiple times.
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Are you talking about FM in RB or SIM ? Because in RB it’s a UFO, just like the other planes.
Su27 ufo?
Afaik RB and SIM have the same physics but in SIM you can’t use the Instructor
Well thats a first
Do you think the F15 is a ufo
And you have never flown a jet
In RB, the instructor will allow you to go into nonsensical maneuvers that would lead to falling to spin. Also, overloading 13G+ and such… well, not really. I don’t think there’s any point in discussing the FM of the Su 27 in RB. It would be similar for the F-15. But with one difference, it can go above 9G.
But to discuss FM for SIM ? Why not.
Every discussion/test regarding FMs made by the guys here were considering the full capabilities of the plane, that is without using the instructor… Without the instructor you can for example rate equally to the f14b while flying the mig29, you can also use its full 1C capabilities which is strooooooongly limited by the instructor. The only thing that the instructor does is limit the plane capabilities to make it more player-friendly, you can pretty much do all of the same stuff with full controls, it’s obviously harder but it’s 100% possible, using just the mouse and keyboard it’s insanely hard, but a stick will completely change the experience.
Yes, the instructor will change everything completely. If the player is swinging the mouse without fear of falling into a spin, it’s very good for the game, I fully agree, but there’s no point in putting it into reality. I also wonder if the Su 27 will get above 24 AoA and above 9G with the mouse, the videos show that it does and easily. Which is good for the game. I have nothing against the instructor.