Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 3)






when will gaijin proprely model the su30sm2

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There were 2 reports about the countermeasures already, one is lablelled as “duplicate” and the other is “accepted” but closed.

So I guess not for the foreseeable future.

Eh, if I have to guess - not until Su-35S, which spots same CM arrangement (and IIRC the “Sting” design) as newer 30SM2. And we can expect Su-35S this year, if I had to guess again (there isnt many 4th gen fighters left, so I think Snail gonna make one last push for 4++ jets within this year/first half of the next until moving to moving the ground TTs further up (T-14, Abrams X, etc) or finally hitting 5th gen fighters)

the Su-35 carries 14 less countermeasures than the 30SM

here you can see that the Su-35S has 6 countermeasure dispensers
each has 14 CMs

Su-30SM has 7 of those dispensers

and the Su-30SM2 has 8 of them
6 on top and 2 below


good job @Balta779517-live you got accepted first.
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Huh, I swear Su-35S had more CM until newer 30SM2 got same tail sting and same overall amount of CM…

Guess Im wrong

newer Su-35S’s have the 2 extra counter measure dispensers below the tail instead of ontop, but the total number of CMs did not change between Su-35S’s

As Ron said in his last message, the Su-35 depending on batch can have those dispensers on top or bottom.

Only way I see it having more countermeasures is if they give it both upper and lower dispensers at the same time, which would be a stretch and I highly doubt it.

Could be “technically possible” but look at the SM2 still missing them while it shouldn’t, that’s why I’m skeptical.

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Damn… oh well. 14 less is… annoying, but not life threatening (and not a factor if/then we finally get proper ECM for BVR (because Im damn sure Snail gonna code it as a counter/additional factor for BVR and anti-SPAA defense))

Eh, Su-30 in game is a mess to begin with. Lets not forget that it use to (and still is) have in-game model issues

84 is not the endo of the world I guess, but yeah given they are large caliber every drop can make the difference.

gaijin saved the dispensers from the Su-30SM2 to put them onto the Su-35S
a cartoon of mario with a beard and the word iq on the top

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That explains it

Khibiny pods letsgo.

If they turn out to be anything like LDIRCM implementation we can forget chaff.

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I doubt they gonna be LDIRCM level (at least for balance purpose), but probably will work like chaff already is - increasing the notch angle, making it more forgiving

so what are we gonna do on the Su-57

no chaff and no flares

Untargetable machine

Honestly yeah, I hope it’s not RNG though, like “sometimes yes, sometimes you die”

5th gens just gonna aurafarming the battlefield and bully F-35s for daring to exist within their sensor range

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1 chaff 1 flare wonder