Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 1)

[sudo_su1]

@luque13

In “fire-and-forget” mode, the missile’s homing system locks onto the target while still mounted on the helicopter, allowing it to autonomously fly to its destination once launched.

No mention of being able to track and hit a moving target. In FNF mode

I mean, that’s kind of implied by “locks onto the target while still mounted on the helicopter”.

And that’s essentially the main point of helicopters to begin with … It’s not like we are talking about strategic bombers.

From ROE website:

Spoiler

Optional man in the loop in the terminal phase is nothing new … Doesn’t mean the seeker can’t track moving targets …

If you can send back a video feed to the operator and have the operator guide the missile in terminal phase towards a moving target, there’s no reason why you can’t do that with an automated algorithm onboard the missile …
It’s not like we are talking about old missiles from the era when computers were the size of a house …

[luque13]

I have seen LMUR used in FNF mode to hit buildings/UA positions I have not seen LMUR used to hit moving tanks and vehicles.

I have seen Ataka, Vikhrs but not LMUR.
The developer of the missile says the missile will fly to a predetermined or set coordinates. No mention of it able make necessary adjustments to or corrections to track targets.

If the missile could reliably track a moving target autonomously then Russia would likely promote it.

I agree though Russian technology is shrouded

[Anonymous4245]

TBF I think this is more attributed to the heavy AA environment near the front more than anything. That’s why both sides basically stuck to FPV drones (the one publicized that is)

Also it’s kind of useless against tanks because it only has a 25kg HE warhead for now

[luque13]

Man in the loop is for laser designation.
An FSB/SSO team or even a drone to guide.

Yes the missile is locked from the helicopter that doesnt mean it automatically can track a moving target.

The pilot will designate a target and launch it the missile will fly to that location and then look for the target if that target is not in the seeker field?

Automated algotyths is a bit of a cop out.

[Anonymous4245]

@luque13

Man in the loop is for laser designation.

You’re literally describing Semi-Active Laser homing, Man-in-the-loop is basically what the Spike NLOS does

Edit: I’m guessing the video was a no-no

[luque13]

That missile hits a stationary target, yes it selects through multiple we dont know if that is the missile or the operator though.

The final target it engages is stationary

Not a Leopard 2A6 travelling at 40kph in Kursk.

[Anonymous4245]

Because it’s not meant for tanks. Because it only has an HE warhead. For now anyways

Also you can literally see the cursor in the video, and gunner of the Ka-52 is more than capable of steering that

This ignores factors such as cost, which a Lancet or cheap fpv can do the job better because they have a HEAT warhead

[sudo_su1]

@Anonymous4245

Also it’s kind of useless against tanks because it only has a 25kg HE warhead for now

25kg HE should be fairly effective against light vehicles
And even against tanks it will most likely cripple the tank and possibly destroy it if you hit top side

[Anonymous4245]

But a $50 drone from aliexpress with a mcgyvered PG-7V warhead is just as effective.

[luque13]

Is that a LMUR I hadnt seen this footage.
We also cannot confirm if it is being guided by the operator?

Cool footage though and thats a very slow moving tank

[luque13]

It’s meant for all targets it gives Mi 28 and Ka 52m a stand off attack capability.

[csla1972]

Yes it is. I saw that footage as well.

[Anonymous4245]

Because it’s one of only 3 MITL munitions Russia publicly has

(Kh-59, Lancet, LMUR if you’re curious)

[Anonymous4245]

You only get 2 max though. Unless Ka-52 and Mi-28 integrated the datalink, you sacrifice 1 atgm pylon for the datalink pod. Not that useful but better than nothing I guess?

[Abyss_Revenant]

@Anonymous4245

datalink pod.

Datalink pod? AS-BPLA pod?

[Anonymous4245]

External electronics for the 2 way datalink LMUR has

Although I thimk there have been efforts to integrate it without a pod. On the export Mi-28s it’s on where the weather radome used to be (on the nose) and for the Ka-52 on the Left stub wing

There’s actually 2 images of the supposed LMUR antenna for the Mi-28. So the top one might be a wrong photo

[luque13]

KH-59 has a crazy range is it just GPS targeting or laser guidance too?

I know Lancet 3 has AI to handle the final approach of the target taking that away from the operator who can to my knowledge overide

[ron_23]

@luque13

KH-59 has a crazy range is it just GPS targeting or laser guidance too

AFAIK it has FnF variants so TV or IR
Laser wouldn’t be that feaseable if you are going to do a deepstrike 200km away

Also iirc it has also man in the loop

[Anonymous4245]

It has TV MITL (specifically TV Command guidance) with the use of the APK-9 Datalink pod

[ILuvAnneHathaway]

Damn almost message cap