Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 1)

It might get worse, since the weight is still inaccurate rn (too light).

RAF quote 1.8
And Eurofighter GmbH quote Mach 2.0

Bad.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/jLyP0AcOEhy3

doing a google search for the empty weight of the su30sm in Russian, 90% of the sites gave the weight as 18,800kg


I really don’t know what to believe anymore, searching things in english gives results between 17,700kg and 18,400kg for the empty weight
searching in russian the results are 18,800kg
and now there’s a video supposedly showing more than 19,000kg

So, from my understanding, it’s missing weight?

This is with no thrust Vectoring flight performance right ?

yes it is but:

for rate fight performance you dont want / need tvc…

tvc only helps you pulling alot of aoa and loosing all your speed rn,
because you cannot deactivate it
so the charts are favorable towards the su30

Maybe theyre mixing versions?

i dont know
crying-sobbing
my head is already hurting trying to find a concrete answer

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I personally trust BBCRF’s take, since they made the 30SM mod for DCS and likely has more reliable information.

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the problem is that people focused on the weight of the su30 that he showed…

but he also commented on improvements that the su30sm could receive…

the problem is that he himself is not willing to make bug reports, it’s complicated to want to nerf the plane nonstop and not be willing to improve it in other parts as well

when someone asked for the sources to improve the su30sm he just laughed and showed the su30 dcs mod…


like D: at least provide the sources to make the plane better and the sources to correct the weight (or make a bug report for everything…)

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It came to him in a dream most of the time ))

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If 30sm performs badly on the live server, we’ll have to use su27sm for one more update D:

I don’t think it will be bad in normal air rb, as long as you still have missiles to defend against planes that are trying to dogfight you, now for duels with guns only? i have no idea, since it’s a worse su33 (with the limiter on) and base on that, it will be pretty bad.

On Dev Server 1v1 Guns only it was mostly wins so far, against F18C, F16C, EF2000

with the limiter on?

F18C on 1 circle i did manage to get the advantage, now i’m not sure about the others, the kills were mostly when i was using TVC, gotta note that it’s not always using it to have the nose at the target immediately it’s also about positioning yourself in the Dogfight which helps alot.