Probably as coolant.
I hope so
How much does Bars weigh?
Not exactly a high quality source regarding Bars but the only one I saw with weight listed
Russia’s Arms and Technologies. The XXI Century Encyclopedia. Vol. 10 - Aircraft armament and avionics - Энциклопедия Оружие и технологии России. XXI век. Том 10 - Авиационное вооружение и авионика
Ain’t this Irbis? Should weigh similarly anyways. Probably a wee bit heavier
No, the source is just old so it’s not that accurate as I mentioned …
Actually curious how Gaijin measure Empty weight. I assume it’s Specification Manufacturer’s Empty Weight which includes avionics and engines. So the difference is probably other stuff including maybe the hardpoints without the actual pylons (the one currently modeled ingame with clean config) so bbcrf number’s are close and the 278kg discrepancy is probably for extra hard points
BTW anyone experiencing their Su-30 not automatically opening their drogue chute?
No, it’s not “Empty.”!
On the example of the MiG-29B…
m (sn) _ weight of a loaded aircraft prepared for a specific mission, kg, consisting of the weight of an empty aircraft, the crew with flight equipment and ammunition for the gun, the operational equipment of the aircraft, liquids and gases consumed to ensure flight, as well as the mass of oil and unused fuel…
m (sn) is taken from Table 2.2.1
If during operation, as a result of rework or during further production, there is a change in the components of the weight of the equipped aircraft, they must be taken into account in accordance with the logbook data and the technical description of the aircraft…
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Imo the problem its not that the plane its heavy. Its that has become stupidly hard to move above match speed. Its hard to even pull 8g on that thing when moving too fast. That contradice everything about TVC or even Canards. I won’t mind the thing feel underpower/heavy. But it fly like a brick.
Bars is really heavy at 650. Irbis is around 450-500.
i dont have proof but i feel like it is missing thrust (you cant tell me they switched the fuel and made the flame burn hotter while keeping the exact same amount of thrust)
you can see it here barely loosing any altitude (if not climbing), if i were to try this in warthunder i would just fall out of the air( even with min fuel), or wouldnt be able to keep the nose stable
I feel it’s due to broken TVC or canards, but without improved engines it’ll naturally be worse than the og flanker (for bfm)…
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Yeah, I wouldn’t trust Gaijin’s TVC control to be optimal …
Especially given how TVC on missiles behaves …
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Just want to post here how much better the flanker is compared to the F-18 for low speed high ADD flying lol.
Irl or in game? Rn the f18 in game is much better than flanker at sub 400 kph
IRL the F-18 will begin to lose control at around 35 degrees AOA. It is also limited to 7G
Maybe you Russian players could nerf the Hornet wink wink…
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Wouldn’t this fall under the same umbrella that f 16 is currently in? As in, deep stalls and instability is not modeled in the game?
This is in game and I can prove it
The F-5 among other jets will have uncomanded auto roll if pulled into too deep of an AOA
Actually scratch that. Every plane has it.
it was already like that on the dev server, with 12 r77-1 + 2 r73 and 27 min of fuel, it could only pull 8 or 9g above mach 1
I don’t think we use tvc when using mouse aiming controls(for pitch), the instructor/plane doesn’t pull enough AoA to use tvc, not even at low speeds, the only time we can use tvc for pitch is when we press the cobra button, other than that, with mouse aim and cobra button still off, we only have roll and yaw
thats why we cant turn so well lol
Yea but that its in STR. ITR should be better/same than other flanker. Currently is not.
But that is not the case. You can see the TVC moving when taking off. The thing its that the FCS should control that and always use the best options. Yesterday trying to found what Yamahagi posted on J-11 Thread. I even read how they Configure the FCS to compensate for when one wing have a lot more weight than the other. So the plane could fly normally.
They change how TVC worked at first because people was crying that it lose to much speed. And if I’m wrong they change the TVC from 4º to 2º. so they did change it.
Maybe Russia never teste the benefice of TVC at high speed.
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