That’s what happens when you put more weight, a worse engine and canards in the same plane. Many modern 4th gen variants perform worse than their 80s versions in bfm because today they prefer to sacrifice maneuverability for bvr performance.
What i’m saying is that “it is what it is”, It’ll be hard to see a modern 4th gen fighter performing better or even equally to their grandpa. Ingame the only hope for “dogfight enthusiasts” is the su-35 and even so i have my doubts cuz that thing weighs 19 tons compared to 16 of the su-27, i don’t know if the engines will be enough to make up for the weight increase.
It’s also important to note that MANY aircraft are overperforming (hello f16s that can pull 1 trillion AOA), their FMs being fixed matters much more if we want to have a balanced BFM gameplay, but people tried to get gaijin to do that for more than a year after Apex Predators update and they did nothing, only shameful excuses for not fixing their game.
It depends.
In real life, TVC is useful for when both fighters are slow and stuck in a prolonged dogfight, and they simply do not have the position to fire off an Fox 2. In that case you have the freedom to point the nose in a way that a non-TVC fighter simply cannot and get that firing opportunity while the opponent is struggling to get behind you.
Unfortunately, with how WT air RB matches go there is almost always no prolonged dogfighting since you will get third-partied and shot down either by an friendly (mistake) or another enemy you were not aware of.
TVC also makes much more sense in a missile dogfight (usually one-circle nose-to-nose as both fighters attempt to jam the weapon engagement zone) than a guns-only dogfight (usually two-circle and a focus on achieving maximum turn rate for the longest amount of time).
The sustained rates on the EF-2000/Rafale are science fiction. Took them longer than a year to bring the Gripen down to from the best rate fighter to where it is now, and immediately after doing that they add the EF and the Rafale rating 1-2 dgs better than the F-16. Wild shit. And yeah the F-16 is definitely still pulling too much AoA.
But this is the Flanker thread. All we can do is be honest about the Su-30SM’s woeful BFM profile.
funny thing is that the su-30 should have a twr over 1
funny thing is that the su-30 should be one of the best if not the best BFM fighter in the game
the su-35 should be alot better because of the AL-41
yeah its still sad that the flanker fm is still completly wrong even after the buff
because they didnt change it to the real life flanker fm but just decreased the drag and called it a day
IK but ppl are complaining exactly because of 1v1s, for me these are not relevant for the current meta but i understand that some want to have fun in custom matches, for that it would be interesting to fix the western overperforming aircraft.
That said i believe the su-30sm performance is more than enough to compete in current air rb meta…
the problem the sim comunity has rn is, that the su30 isnt contolable in full real anymore at slow speeds, it isnt really the flight performance itself but the handling
We can complain all we want about russian jets performing worse, it’s not the russian jets that are underperforming but the western ones that are overperforming…
