Dev is open btw :D
Su-30SM still doesn’t have HUD Markers
Bad?
Su’s recieved flight model buff not to long ago, they are not as bad as they used to be.
Especially SM since it recieved better engines and additional 2 missiles.
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Worse engines than 27SM, better radar and missiles though
Also NCTR got nerfed, doesn’t show on the MFDs now. So useless in IFF (until gaijin adds IFF in STT)
He’s sayin previous Su models are still shit, i was explaining that not the case anymore for su27’s.
Su-30’s expected to be perform worse in VVR fight due to bein heavier and having worse engines, maybe Gaijin can change the engines in the future it Su30’s performance doesnt satisfy them.
I think its worth. At least you get to practice the TVC. And overall it should be better than 27sm. It also should be as good as Su-34 as a CAS plane.
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there are ppl who are more interested in actual flight performance for 1v1 dueling and for that the su30 is the worst flanker variant
Lol what?
People are saying something about todays dev-server change to the SU30 absolutely ruined it’s flight-model at AoA.
Well the su30sm rn doesn’t pull more than 11gs above mach 1 with min fuel and clean config, at low speeds idk, it feels kinda the same but I don’t have wtrti to test it rn, at least the tvc feels better
recent datamines for the su30sm:
2.44.0.31 → 2.44.0.36 Part 1
2.44.0.31 → 2.44.0.36 Part 2
it is about low speed with full real controls
Well normal performance sure its worst. But TVC system should give it a edge. And R-77-1 its a little better than R-77. 14.0 material? idk.
Hope these change help with the Yaw problem.
you might think so…
but in a 1v1 dogfight it only makes you bleed all your speed which you dont want at all
that dosent help you in a guns only fight
Su30sm Will not be that bad, even more now that they corrected its oswald coeff… without TVC i guess it would be be slightly worse than the su-33 for wvr, but considering it has TVC it’ll be 100% very competitive while dogfighting.
But for bvr it’ll be by far the best russian jet, it’ll fit the meta pretty well.
You overestimate the use of TVC tbh. It’s quite risky to use it at all
Not saying it’ll be the best but definitely not bad as ppl are saying “oh it’ll lose to a phantom, oh it’s worse than a mig21 frfr” like cmon dude, squishface duel video proved that it can at least give some headache in a dogfight if you use it well…
Worth pointing out, the dude that was flying the SU30 dueling squish claimed today that those sorta gunshots are pretty much impossible to achieve now after today’s FM nerf. Said something about TVC being impossible to control, and it’s more unstable under AoA.
I think SU30 will still be a good jet for sure, but it’s a shame about the FM if it is as bad as it sounds. I’d definitely take it over a Phantom lol
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One duel doesn’t ‘prove’ anything. Compared to the Su-27SM the Su-30SM is handedly the worst dogfighter . The Su-30SM pulls slightly harder at slightly faster speeds but loses the Su-27SM’s competitive sustained rate, energy retention, top speed, and acceleration. It is valid to point out that this is a significant decrease in BFM capability going from 13.7-14.0 in the same line.
I am excited to see how the changes to TVC will shift the needle there. But I don’t get why people are pretending that the Su-30SM has an acceptable flight model for this BR. It just doesn’t. You rip out everything that makes the Flanker a scary, versatile aggressor in order to double down on the high AoA one circle. Only to still lose this fight to every delta canard or well flown Eagle / Hornet in the sky. Jets that will either pull more AoA at the same speeds or will sustain and recover energy better.
Anyone know when statshark updates for the dev?
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it isnt tho,
if you have a competent enemy (which you have in a 1v1 custom) he is just going to fly circles around you while you are desperatly trying to keep the little speed you have
tbh the su-30 would be beter at dogfighting at most situations without tvc
tvc is only useful when it comes down to a close knife fight
should be as soon as the datamines go online
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