Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 1)

Your FM and missile kit is set up to sell out in the first 1-2 turns and launch an R-77 or R-73 in an undodgeable aspect. If you can’t manage that, the Rafale will basically always win. My suggestion would be to merge slower to really commit into this. It’s not like keeping your speed is going to help you anyway against a Rafale.

Unfortunately, the Rafale is also probably the best at this play style anyway due to the MICA being even better than the R-77 for this.

i was using more the tws than the hms tbh, so didnt have any problems related to locks, the scan rate is so fast that you can find anything easly, at least in my experience (im already with almost 4kd with the su30sm)

i mean, the su30sm is a heavy bird lol, your best chance to win against the rafale is with missiles and not in guns only

if you did that in custom battles on the dev, the radar is for sure kinda buggy there, but i didnt have any problems in normal air rb (on the dev) with the radar

For me, i cant use TWS. In sim, TWS means you kill a friendly bexause it doesnt differentiate IFF. You must use PD for this.

Also, HMD doesnt work consistently. In fact, you cant lock up targets even if you can see them visually with HMD. My assumption is simply put, HMD has a maximum effective range. So it make it a pain to use unless you’re basically within 5km of the target. In RB at this range its minimal time to react.

As for scan rate of Su-30, its good, but being able to see a target means nothing if you cant lock them up to fire a missile. In sim, i can see the Rafale for 50+ miles all the way until 10 miles. Couldnt lock it. Im not aure what the deal with this is, but it is my experience.

this all might be just dev serve bugs, cant do much about it other than just wait and see when it gets added to the live server

This is incorrect.

I mean. I play sim quite regularly. I stopped using TWS solely because of this. Everytime i used TWS a friendly died. Only PD shows me double dash friendly, single dash enemy. But to be fair, i havent used TWS since some of the earliest aircraft which got them.

tws has iff…

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Noted, ill have a look and study when the patch goes out.

If you use “cyclic switching of radar targets” the radar will still jump to friendlies when they are initially picked up.

The line still appears above friendly contacts, but if it overlays the range markings it can be difficult to discern. With TWS HDN, the line is higher than normal.

Best suggestion would be to disable cyclic radar and let the radar scan a track multiple times before locking it up.

wtf is this…
the mig-19 is able to out-rate the Su-30 at most speeds

you cannot tell me that the Su-30 FM is accurate

like how tf is the Mig-19 able to pull more AoA than the Su-30 without TVC (Statshark isnt uesing TVC for the
EM-Chart)

mig19 is the goat.

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ok iam over with this it seems like there needs to be a bug-report on the Su-30 FM
like in what world is a mig-15 able to pull more aoa than the su-30 without tvc

@BBCRF if you have any sources on the Flight performance of the Su-30 (that arent classified)
could you sent them to me in Private messages.
So I can make a bug report on the FM

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@Ruskie_Turtles

so the mig-15 i guess?

mig15 the mega goat. just look at vietnam.

these planes are extremely light compared to the su30sm…this also affects their turning radius i think, which would be much smaller

wouldn’t it be better to try to compare the su30sm with the su27sm? or the su33, or even the f15s, at least they are similar…

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They really should just give us a mishmash SM and SM2

thats why I talked about the aoa (on the mig-15)

those matchups look even worse for the su-30

i mean it gets even outrated by the mig-29smt

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It performs even worse than the Su-33 despite being lighter, checked the FM code turns out it has a significantly lower oswalds coeff than any other flanker (rest have the same number) not sure why, but thats part of the reason it feels really fat, other reason is that it is just fat

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can you bugreport that?

or are they going to shout that down

Unfortunately it would be impossible to find any manual for the su30sm that is not restricted (i couldnt find any), I don’t know how it would be possible to fix it unless it is purely based on guesswork and comparing it to the sukhois already in the game, and tbh this forum doesnt really like russian stuff enough to help the su30sm fm (they might even try to nerf it), the last person that helped a lot the su27 was @Giovanex05

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