True. I just think maybe they will think better of it knowing that India’s self maintained jets fell out of the sky at the rate of around 4 per year. That will damage the credit if SU57 becomes one in the future. I know about the funding issue, cause same applied to why Su30 MKK/MKIs were a thing in the first place but they probably need to consider the Rafale purchase as well.
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I don’t doubt it! I also do not know how China would feel with Russia one of Chinas partners providing their Gen 5 airframe to India who are not on great terms with China.
I don’t think it will come that fast. Not until 2030 likely when Indian Su57s form any sort of fighting capability. China generally would hate that happening but meanwhile India saying Rafales are better than J-20…
They would probably sell more. If it wasn’t for US trying to sanction everyone that buy thing from Russia.
Didn’t they solve their problem in the last [BRICS] ?(Modi and Xi agree to resolve differences, boost India-China ties)?
India is rare. A lot of info that come from them its way too optimistic. Like the new Radar for the Su-30mki that have 2400 GaN T/M. for Example the AESA on Chinese J-16 have around 1800 T/M. That its on IRBIS lv.
France refused (despite initial agreements) to transfer the technology and assembly license to India…
Therefore, India bought 36 units (one air wing) and how many marine ones that’s all!
Over the past year and a half, India has additionally ordered 36 sets of Su-30MKI in a configuration similar to the Su-30SM2 And 85 AL-41F-1C engines… and is carrying out another modernization of the MiG-29UPG (with a service life until 2037)…
India has outsmarted itself…Pakistan is buying the J-35 and India needs to decide urgently on the choice of a new generation fighter…
According to the most optimistic forecasts, its own program cannot be implemented before 2030…
By this time, China will have 1,500 J-20s, and Pakistan will have about a hundred J-35s…
I think they will pick F-35 then.
Sure, it’s had its fair share of issues but it’s improving, and also it’s readily available as there’s already a lot of production for it
With what engine?. ATM J-35 its on the same boat as Su-57. WS-21 is not bad. But with WS-19 engine J-35s will be a beast that would humiliate the F-35 it “copy”.
well F-35 is set to get improved engines too, so we will have to see
The United States offered the F-35 to India after a brief hesitation, three weeks after the Su-57 was shown in Zhuhai-24 (let me remind you that previously only the F-16(F-21) was offered…
The choice will depend on factors such as partial production./Transfer of some technologies/Israeli, Indian equipment/Long-range missiles analogous to the R-37M and cruise missiles analogous to the Kh-69…The possibility of integrating Indian missiles…
There are also political issues such as the current US administration threatening various sanctions against the BRICS countries…
At the same time, the Su-57 arrived in Bangalore at the request of the Indian side (pilot S. Bogdan had a special condition)…
The United States also abandoned the flight program for the F-16/F-35 in Bangalore…
Pakistan has announced plans to purchase the J-35A in December 2024, so there are no details yet.but it is known that Pakistan wants the same equipment as the Chinese Air Force, not an export version of it…
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They wont pick the F-35, Lockheed wont allow them integration of their weapon systems.
RAF is a tier 1 partner and they still havent got Meteor or SPEAR or Brimstone integrated on F-35.
India will require autonomy to customise and tailor the aircraft to meet their needs.
Not everything is so clear (yes, some big ranks of the Indian Air Force are behind the Su-57), but the United States can offer a lower price, including for weapons and equipment, as well as economic, technological and political bonuses in other areas.
Personally, I would buy at least 36 units for one F-35 wing (to study technology) and combine the AMSA and Su-57 programs to create a promising Indian-designed aircraft, because India still needs a heavy-class fighter like the F-22/J-20 and Su-57…
So far the situation with the F-35 /The Su-57 looks like a fifty fifty…
Cost isn’t everything, the inability to mount your missiles and bombs on your new airframe will force India to purchase US equivalents. At any time the US could terminate support. India goes to war or has a disagreement with a US ally and those F-35s no longer receieve the updates and parts.
This conflict in Ukraine has shown that overnight the world was at odds with Russia with sanctions.
Su-57 allows India to mount the R-37M the ASTRA missile and the Brahmos.
They have an agrrangement in place to manufacture the Su-30MKI and pilots are familiar with the ergonomics and design ethos.
the US will not invite India to become a tier 1 partner and will not allow India to modify the F-35. They will be forced to buy Aim120C/D missiles, LRASM and Aim9X
Many are realising the US is not a dependable ally. Which is reinforced when we look at Gen 6 airframe development no one wants to be in the situation they are in now with the F-35
the s400 alone was the reason turkey wasn’t allowed to use it, also india with s400, s300, su 30mki, r77 and other russian weapons which all are usually intergraded together with shared data isn’t something lockhead would let, the f 35 is just for show basically.
India is a peculiar country-in fact, there is a very strong pro-American anti-Su-57 lobby…
At the same time, India can always follow China’s path (copy something), although it is not doing this yet…
India buys a lot of stuff from other nations, but they haven’t acquired the know-how/technology transfer on how to develop indigenous systems effectively. What China did was establish an assembly line when they purchased Su-27SK/UBK and through that China learned the manufacturing process and eventually could make their own subsystems, such as avionics, radar, ECM, and now are beginning to produce indigenous engines.
India hasn’t done that and you can see multi-year delays in their domestic military projects. Even the Tejas today still is reliant on suppliers and Hindustan Aeronautics are still working on developing Indian systems that will one day replace them. The problem is India always sets very ambitious goals (such as the AMCA program) and even more ambitious timelines. If the Tejas development spanned over 40 years (from the 1980s) to only reaching initial operating capability in early 2020s, the AMCA is pretty much guaranteed to be at least 5-10 years away from its first flight. So in the meantime India essentially has to acquire a 5th gen fighter from Russia or the US.
I think the F-35 is off the table unless US is willing to make an exception for India’s purchases. Remember, the US discontinued the sale of F-35s to Turkey after Turkey acquired S-400s.
More likely the Su-57E or in the future the Su-75 will be what India goes for.
Let me remind that India withdrew from the FGFA ( Indian Su-57 ) program in 2018.
Because they were not given control or automnomy over it. Russia is now exporting Su-57 to partners Algeria being the first
"Due to concerns about the aircraft’s capabilities, particularly its low level of stealth technology, unreliable engine performance, and a lack of desired technology transfer from Russia"
If Russia was to give India the similar level of freedom with the Su-30MKI they would likely reconsider it. China have thrown in with Pakistan, the US is too flippant to none NATO members that really leaves Turkeys Gen 5, Koreas Gen 5 or the Su-57.
I don’t want to clutter this forum with too much unrelated things, but Pakistan “acquiring” an export variant of the J-35 is an unsubstantiated rumor at this stage. The only evidence if you can even call it that are Pakistani defense forum folks saying that PAF pilots somehow went to China to train on the J-35 or FC-31, which is quite ridiculous if you ask me. The J-35A, which is the variant for the PLAAF, was only revealed last November. In the meantime, the Naval variant of the J-35 is still under development. I find it therefore highly unlikely that this early in the J-35’s life, when the fighter still hasn’t entered service yet, that a export variant would already be in late stage of development.
Anyways, we should get back on topic.
1 month till su-30sm
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