Yea Bars will help a lot much modern PESA radar with gimbal would be great.
I might be wrong but on range Mica is pretty similar to R-77 if we are talking about efficienty.
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They’re doing the same to the F-14. It’s digusting.
Could be better but after Having used the derby I am
More than Happy with the r77
The Derby is literally just an aim120 short range and a r77 long Range
I didn’t have that questionable pleasure of using Derby but know it’s crap. But a good thing is only 1 TT plane has those.
I know atleat two the British Gripen and the Israel F-16
If i remember correctly F-16C barak II and F-16D have them but Barak II can use AIM-120. And Gripen has R-darter, honestly i don’t know if those are C&P Derby or what but also garbage.
Sadly there is no plane with both r77 and aim120 to Test the performance between those two
And the only graphs I could find start at 15km
It isn’t specific to any one aircraft, that’s available to any R-77[-1] carrier.
only Su-35S uses them IRL
Only Su-35S’s have been seen with them IRL, as the only sighting of it was at an arms expo on an aircraft from the 23rd IAP, which is VERY well known for their Su-27SMs as well.
The turn rate and speed bleed is still far from what it should be… See this video by Squishface.
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lord forgive me
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Lol
No aircraft has it’s exact turn rate, or AOA modelled correctly that is a limitation of the game engine.
as someone mentioned Gaijin try to get as close as possible to what it should be.
Your video shows a Su-27 Hud, we have no idea on fuel load, weapons load the particular model Su-27.
and then obligatory air show footage of an airframe with minimal fuel and pylons removed.
You can take every single vehicle in War thunder and find a problem with it, this is not a Su-27 exclusive.
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Only if players fly straight at it though they are so easy to defend against providing you play smarter when you see EF or F-15 on your RWR within 50km there is a good chance you should start to defend.
When your RWR/MAWS alerts you know the missile is close pull up drop some chaff or descend and drop chaff and you will defeat an AIM120 sent at you in IOG mode.
Funny because ATM the only one underperforming its the Su-27 all other are overperforming.
This has also being talk a lot of time. Not matter what config in game Su-27 can’t match the on in the video.
Also there was someone on reddit trying to probe Squishface wrong. But that guy didn’t the same. He even stated that you can’t pull that hard or the plane would lose too much energy.
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killing someone at bvr ranges is not about what the guy who fires does but how bad the guy getting shot at is… good players dont die to this
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That’s absolute pish and you know it, Harriers as an example are missing thrust, acceleration and turn time.
Typhoon is unable to super cruise despite 4 nations that operate it and Eurofighter saying it can.
Tornado is missing thrust and top speed it was lowered to give it a greater turn rate.
Lots of vehicles suffer from this.
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you cant complete that turn in 13 sec even if you have 40 seconds of fuel in war thunder. its clearly underperforming in game.
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