It has good flight performance it is fast and accelerates well, the fm change made it far more capable. You are also making comparisons to the Typhoon the F-16 early models considered the BFM benchmark and the F-15A and C which are hardly terribly performing aircraft.
Yes the Radar is poor as is the Typhoons, with slow update rate and “TWS ghosts”
Enemies can pre flare any IR missile would rather have an R-73 at the merge than an Aim9M.
Im going to make this statement now the Su-30SM will be the best jet in the game when it is released.
again, good flight performance against what? the clouds? the air?
these are planes that the su27 faces, apart from the f16 block 10, it faces the f16c, f15c/e and the eurofighter, the comparison is valid because it is literally what the su27sm faces on a daily basis and not you saying that the f15c is terrible D: it was literally the meta before the f15E
The difference in performance with the changes is not the gulf you perceive it to be. When a Flanker merges or gets into the midgame and within 15km it is a very scary prospect.
As I said the Su-30SM will fix all these inadequacies. TVC will allow it to be the best dogfighter, the new engines will give it the BVR power and the new Radar will make it deadly in medium range BVR even with the R-77.
I’m not disagreeing with you the F-15 platform is great as it should be, but the gap isnt a big as you make it they both do different things. More like comparing a 109 and a Spitfire and not a Sopwith Camel.
Su-27 is the meta jet at 13.0 it cleans house regularly
With all due respect, I don’t think you have the knowledge or experience to make a statement like that
the -new- engines are just the old su27s engines with tvc in it, so it will have less thrust than the current su27sm and also the su30sm is 1 ton heavier, it will not be great at bvr cause the r77 isnt great, the radar will help but thats it, the meta is how fast you can go to boost your aim120 to get kills, combine that with also having the best flight performance planes for this task (ef, f15e) and for close combat the rafale is king cause mica+hmd and also amazing flight performance.
this is a br compression issue, not the su27 being amazing and im only talking about the su27sm.
This is the same Su-27 that faces the F-15 and F-16 aircraft at that BR and does well. That was my point, you are treating the Su-27 like it’s a Tornado and it’s simply not the case.
I have only flown a team mates Su-27 I have played against them on many ocassions and they are not free kills.
Yes BVR meta is to be fast and high…But you really shouldnt be dying to a 120 launched 40-50km away. Too many players ignore the RWR and do not know how to defend. At the same time you shouldnt be trying to BVR joust with an F-15E
Rafale is king of short range MICA with TVC is lethal. Even the Typhoon and F-15 die to Rafale in short to medium range envelope.
I have attached a video of how the Su-27SM should be played. In the correct hands it is very formidable.
See how the R-77 pulls so hard off the rail to make those shots the 120 doesnt do that.
again, the problem isn’t that somehow -the su27 is great-, it’s that the average player sucks even when they have amazing planes, I’m comparing the pure performance of the su27 to its competitors and the su27 is worse in almost every way against them, the fact that the average player is bad does not turn the su-27 into a great plane
and yes, bad karma is an amazing pilot, I won’t deny that, he is definitely better than 90% of the player base on air rb
Player level isnt a basis on how good a vehicle is. If anything it shows how easy Russians have had it for years before the addition of the recent gen 4 airframes.
Su-27 has shortcomings, it cannot be the best at everything right now it does most things well not great but well. Gaijin are trying hard to balance the game.
Typhoon should be the best at BVR but it isnt because Gaijin limit the Radars performance and deny the manufacturers flight performance data. They wont add the additonal Aim120 pylons. If they did this the Typhoon invalidates the F-15E.
Rafale and MICA EM range should be the same as an Aim120. But Gaijin have just given Rafale 8 MICA configuration, if they then increased the range it again invalidates the BVR abilities of the F-15E and the brawling abilities of the Su-27/J-11 and J-10
Su-27 carries the most missiles, it has good flight performance and a serviceable Radar. R-77 is superior in the mid/short range BVR as seen in Karmas video it pulls more G and can be deadly. R-27ET is a cool missile no other nation has that capacity.
Gaijin wont allow the Rafale or Typhoon to use IRST to DL Fox 3s. Short range the R-73 is the best missile (yes it can be flared)
I know Very little about modern missiles (that’s why i always put “afaik” before saying something), but, afaik, in simple terms, they just have more range than their predecessor.
R-77 max operational range would be ~80km, R-77-1 can reach ~110km.
Now apparently there are 2 versions of aim120C, the c-5 and c-8, but idk the difference between the two, only that one of them can reach up to ~160km
