Not even remotely, at short to medium ranges the MICA takes the cake because it can be fired so far off boresight and still guarantee a kill. Ideally they’d allow the RWR to give weapons grade inertial mid-course information to launch at targets 90 degrees or more left or right of the launcher.
Scary dealing with M2K, Rafale because they just launch missiles at you without ever giving you any indication that they’re aware of your existence.
When you compare both missiles solely with each other compared to how we know Gaijin will configure them, they are counterparts to each other. But then again, it doesn’t mean the addition of R-77-1 necessitates AIM-120C.
Also, at long range at high altitude, the loft configuration of the R-77-1 has it beating every other missile in-game.
Does R-77-1 necessitate AIM-120C? I would say no. You have to consider the airframes, radar, countermeasure amounts, and many other factors.
The Eurofighter, Rafale, F-15, all have better climb, acceleration, and overall dogfighting capability than the Su-27SM. They also generally have better radars, more countermeasures, more datalink channels, and are generally just easier to use.
The real question to ask is, “If Su-27SM has R-77-1, does it then become the best plane in-game?”
Even then, there are options to buff the AIM-120A. There are open reports that developers can action on it, such as increased maneuverability to the AIM-120A as well as increased seeker ranges in order to give the R-77-1 more run for its money again.
Unfortunately we know how the devs are, if there’s no open reports on it, then they’re unlikely to do anything about it. We’re coming up one year on the addition of the R-77 and there’s still no open reports on it currently.
Su-35 has a decent thrust increase and variable bypass engines giving it pretty good performance.
The Su-35 will apparently feature less countermeasures than Su-27SM (96 countermeasures reduced down to 84). So while it does gain performance in some respect, there’s downsides (while few) in other aspects. But I will wait to see how the Su-35 performs once it comes into the game. Allegedly that has decreased weight over the legacy Su-27 while having increased thrust according to Fantom.
Edit: Correction, it appears Su-35 will weigh heavier than Su-27SM.
Yeah theres def a lot of things they could do in hindsight. I think if they wanted to add R-77-1 and wait to see how it impacts the game before implementing fixes to western radar missiles, and in the extreme case, adding AIM-120C’s. That might be a better alternative.
Most impressive thing the Su-35 will bring imo will be the Irbis-E radar. IRL accounts have it getting completely bricked by stuff like SPECTRA EW, but thats not a factor in-game, and being a slewable PESA with seemingly very generous mechanical + electronic slew limit, I think itd be quite potent in-game.
I’m curious to see how theyll go about balancing to factor in slewable ESA’s, since they threw balance out the window with the RBE2-AA AESA recently. On one hand, most nations should get ESA’s in the next update, to try to catch up to france, on the other, that skips quite a few radars/jets for some nations, while for others it means going straight to slewable ESA’s, which are (gameplay-wise) vastly superior to even the RBE2-AA.
Add a new missile to Russia thats superior to every other missile in game.
On a platform that will have TVC and a PESA Radar and can carry 12 missiles.
Refuse the NATO alternative because Russia have it rough currently.
That seems balanced and a great idea.
Typhoon is great in flight performance avionics Radar are sub par. Only has 6 BVR missiles
Rafale has a great Radar and 8 MiCAs that are medium to short range. Great flight performance
F-15E is still the BVR king 8 missiles good Radar and flight performance.
Su-27SM sits inbetween these, it has good flight performance, carries a large ammount of missiles that are good. Has a serviceable Radar.
Su-30SM will have great flight performance, great Radar, TVC and with the R-77 (1) the best missiles.
In one update you completely invalidate the Typhoon, F-15E and to a lesser extent the Rafale
A missile that still has less range than AIM-120A. On a platform that weighs more and will have less thrust (reduced TWR), but will have TVC which only matters if you’re going to dogfight it, but even then it’ll bleed more speed, still have less countermeasures, lower climbrate and acceleration than NATO competitors but has PESA radar. Why leave out 7 factors only to mention 2? Further, like I said, they can always buff the AIM-120A.
A NATO answer is not a missile that would outclass R-77-1 on stronger platforms, that’s not the answer.
To my understanding Su-30SM will weigh more than Su-27SM and have less thrust than it.
good flight performance against what? not against the gripen, or the EF, or the rafale, or the j10, f16 block 10, hell, even the mirage 2000 and maybe the f16c, this thing only beats the f15E/C now, the f15A is still pretty good ( again, talking about pure flight performance without the r73 saving your ass)
yes it carries 6 or 8 R77s which are less maneuverable than the micas in a worse airframe with worse radar and 4 more R73s which the enemy can simply pre-flare and avoid them since everyone has 150+ cms
-serviceable radar- D: lol lmao this damn thing sometimes refuses to lock with the HMD on an enemy approaching head-on at less than 9km
Su-30SM will have a similar FM to the su-33, but with TVC
Hello, @Gunjob, could you please inquire what the status of Su-27 IRST detection range reports are?
Specifically, these:
Su-27 IRST severely underperforming range
N001 (All), N010 (All), N019 (All) IRST still capped to 30 km
Su-27 IRST detection/tracking range too low
It seems that after the third report was marked as fixed, the devs have been under the false impression that the detection range is on par with reality and the 30 km has been removed (2nd report has a reply that 30 km was removed and 1st report is asking if the issue is still present).
Oh, can you also ask if afterburner detection has been enabled for IRSTs like it has been for IR missiles (that feature that made AIM-9Ds have some all aspect capability against afterburning targets).
It has good flight performance it is fast and accelerates well, the fm change made it far more capable. You are also making comparisons to the Typhoon the F-16 early models considered the BFM benchmark and the F-15A and C which are hardly terribly performing aircraft.
Yes the Radar is poor as is the Typhoons, with slow update rate and “TWS ghosts”
Enemies can pre flare any IR missile would rather have an R-73 at the merge than an Aim9M.
Im going to make this statement now the Su-30SM will be the best jet in the game when it is released.
again, good flight performance against what? the clouds? the air?
these are planes that the su27 faces, apart from the f16 block 10, it faces the f16c, f15c/e and the eurofighter, the comparison is valid because it is literally what the su27sm faces on a daily basis and not you saying that the f15c is terrible D: it was literally the meta before the f15E
I’m in the office next couple days so alittle busy, send me a DM so I don’t forget.
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The difference in performance with the changes is not the gulf you perceive it to be. When a Flanker merges or gets into the midgame and within 15km it is a very scary prospect.
As I said the Su-30SM will fix all these inadequacies. TVC will allow it to be the best dogfighter, the new engines will give it the BVR power and the new Radar will make it deadly in medium range BVR even with the R-77.
I’m not disagreeing with you the F-15 platform is great as it should be, but the gap isnt a big as you make it they both do different things. More like comparing a 109 and a Spitfire and not a Sopwith Camel.
Su-27 is the meta jet at 13.0 it cleans house regularly
Even just F-15C ‘Golden Eagle’ bodies Su-35S.