I’m not seeing documents or direct in-game comparisons. Not sure if the Oswald efficiency should line up 1:1 with the flapless wings’ Oswald coefficient in-game either. This doesn’t show us that it is underperforming.
What they need to look for is a specific excess energy chart of some sort and make comparisons based on that.
So far, they’ve not. There’s no substance here usable for a report in the way of testing.
Does any chart in the world exist that tells how much speed you exactly lose when you pull stick completely at 600-700-800-900 KMH in su-27?
There are charts for instantaneous turn rate, but that is not what I am talking about. We are looking for western style EM charts or diagrams showing the energy loss rate based on altitude gain / loss during sustained turns.
I dont think you can get exactly that, never saw anything similar in russian manuals, they do have a LOT of info and charts about flight performance but you often need to calculate out exactly what is often depicted on western EM charts.
Good luck, especially for vehicles after Su-27, finding any data for Russian stuff.
Look at DCS , they can’t even add anything newer than Su-27-Mig-29 for RU , they are not even allowed to make / can’t make full fidelity Su-27 for reasons.
It’s there, just a different format. I could take a look later, but I am preoccupied with other projects.
I have had no such issues finding documentation for Russian stuff as I have Western stuff. Try finding thrust charts for the F100-PW-100. They don’t exist on the public internet.
I meant stuff newer than Su-27
It may become an issue, sure.
This is your skill/access privilege , not that many people here that can find stuff like this.
I appreciate your existence in this community and applaud you for your contribution since the day I saw the work you did
But you also just proved my point that it’s almost impossible to find solid data.
You need to have special access/skill/people you know
I don’t have special access to view anything of the sort.
Networking with Russian speaking members makes public research easier, but the most secretive stuff is by far not the Soviet equipment. All Soviet era stuff is for the most part available online.
And how many people in the english forum can understand Russian?
How many can both understand russian and has friends in the military aircraft enthusiast community?
List gets shorter and shorter for the ordinary person to find sources if they want to. They simply do not have the necessary conditions.
Almost all the Russian speakers are in RU forum, and they do not seem to be active reporters/measurers at all.
Apparently quite a lot
USSR/Federation’s best top tier fighter’s vs infinite energy & flare JAS39C (non-spaded and expert crew)
The Su27 and Mig29 both renowned for their mighty nose authority and dogfight agility fail to ever get a nose on the Gripen. Realistic or nah.
You be the judge.
That’s realistic.
People over-hyped the Su-27 & Mig-29.
The Flanker platform is the principal threat fighter of the United States of America.
Not the budget fighter Gripen. Sorry.
Then again, I appreciate your input. If that is realistic, so be it.
李中华的报告内容中显示，中国战机50公里以上的攻击成功率为0，而泰国战机的成功率为24%；30公里至50公里，泰国战机的攻击成功率高达64%，而中国战机的攻击成功率仅有14%。苏-27机动性更好，在双方进入30公里范围内近距离格斗时，泰方战机成功率只有12%，中方战机则凭借着优秀的稳定盘旋能力，才将成功率拉到了86%。
Translate：According to Li Zhonghua’s report, the success rate of attacks by Chinese fighter jets over 50 kilometers is 0, while the success rate of Thai fighter jets is 24%; From 30 kilometers to 50 kilometers, the success rate of Thai fighter jets is as high as 64%, while the success rate of Chinese fighter jets is only 14%. The Su-27 has better maneuverability. When both sides engage in close range combat within a 30 kilometer range, the success rate of Thai fighter jets is only 12%, while Chinese fighter jets rely on their excellent stable hovering ability to increase the success rate to 86%.
Which means Flankers can destory the Gripens when they’re in dogfight
periodic countermeasures + 700 flares is the most retarded thing ever lol, idk if the countermeasures of the su27 is accurate, in dcs it has more than in warthunder, but su 27 having 96 or something comapred to 700 of the gripen is insane
Lol bro I am immune to missile. Its just them vs my RC plane out here.
i also noticed your afterburner on full time, great irccm for the r73 gaijin xD
gaijin mix the early mode and late mode SU27 together :(