If it had insane maneuverability for this very fast loss of energy, it would be understandable.
It does not have that either.
It’s just bad for the sake of being bad
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MiG-29A is fine, it’s by far the most accurate 4th fen aircraft there’s in game.
The only problem it has is the instructor
Mirage 2000 and F-15C are probably accurate as well (F-15C is actually probably missing thrust at high altitude and high speed).
F-16C is slightly overperforming in rate but difference is really quite minor.
Su-27 is underperforming
The rest are all overperforming in rate, this applies to most 3rd gen aircraft as well (MiG-23ML, F4E, F4J, F5s i already tested them and are all overperforming. J7E is also very likely to be overperforming (a little higher aspect ratio wont turn an early MiG-21 into something with 4th gen performance).
F-16s (C included this time) all pull too much AoA.
And i could go on.
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This.
J7E flight performance always bothered me, it feels better than it should be.
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Hate to admit it but he was right about Gripen got nerfed multiple times worse one is BOL pod
but F-16 and F-15? I never heard when it got nerf?
This is just playing well; any plane can perform if you play well.
F15A also feels kinda strange imo, the difference in performance between it and the C is considerable, similar to the SMT and regular 29s
Gonna go out on a whim and say the Su-27SM might be heavily overperforming in the speed or drag department, seeing as it can super cruise with bombs on at 6500m…
I’ve no real data to back it up (if anyone has any kind of chart for it it would be great) but, to put it simply, imho it’s one of the most bullshit fm that there are in the game… if a little higher aspect ratio with a slight change angle could give a MiG-21 that has less thrust than the SMT sustained turn performance comparable to a 4th gen aircraft all the modern MiG-21 variants like the lancer or the bison would have been upgraded.
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It’s probably too low drag coefficient for transonic region at high altitude… dunno if gaijin will change stuff there thought, they refused to buff to historical levels F-15C high altitude speed Community Bug Reporting System
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That’s because F-15A is around 8-10% better than it should be while the F-15C is actually slightly underperforming
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yeah the J-7E is straight up bs… Not only does it feel like its FM is outright whichcraft, but its been undertiered HEAVILY for the last 2+ years with gaijin categorically refusing to do anything about it despite the fact that its been the uncontested best performing aircraft at its BR ever since the PL-5B’s were “fixed” years ago, and its not like its been a secret either, with it constantly being paraded as an incredibly powerful aircraft by all the air CC’s until the F-16/MiG-29 were added and new toy syndrome pulled them away from using it.
Meanwhile my Premium F4EJ sits at higher br while having worse RWR,worse missiles and certainly worse flight model :)
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Bruh, reading the replies of all of you i can only ask myself one thing:
Can top tier get more inaccurate?
Now imagine when they add the raptor and the felon, smh
Now that’s gigasad
Somehow i still enjoy flying with my premium EJ, something must be wrong about me
Well they just decompressed brs so, while both J7E and F8U br are embarrassingly low, gaijin may just need time.
Sad to say it, but F-4EJ 99% sure is overperforming too lol.
If I start reporting all this shit I guess I would need to disappear from the forum for quite a bit, I’d make a lot of people mad lol
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They’d unironically probably try to doxx you for “ruining” their toys, there’s a lot of idiots without a life around the internet
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Sadly gaijin saw that pushing modern vehicles out fast sacrificing accuracy worked for them in tanks and decided to do the same shit for aircraft.
I would have been even fine with it as long as prop gameplay did not end up suffering because of it, but now 1.0-5.7 is full of people that are there to just grind and not to play the game.
Used to sit around 2.0 k/d in props, last month for props I am probably over 9 lol, most people are bots (and most deaths are from people doing sucide headons, actual deaths by good players in dogfight have become rare).
Anyway to make top tier more accurate one would need to start testing basically every aircraft for sustained turn and confront it with the manual.
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In which areas?
Personally i would like to see accurate EJ on lower br.
Not to be mean but,
Guys, please discuss aircraft totally unrelated to SU-27 somewhere else please.
Gripen/F-16/15/Mirage-2000/MIG-29 are fine, since they are direct competitors to SU-27, at same BR range.
But please keep stuff like F-4EJ that will never ever see the SU-27 out of this
(but yes, F-4EJ being same BR as the best F-4E variant, the KURNASS sums up Gaijin’s joke balance)