Missile jousts as in, close range Fox 3 exchanges. They happen every match as the game naturally progresses closer and closer.
Versatile as in, it can BVR with the ER, it can flank with the ET, it can chase long range targets with the ET, it can dogfight with the R-73, and the R-77 isn’t a terrible missile. All of which I’ve done.
Also when I say the Su-27 can dogfight, I don’t mean that its the greatest at it as you make it seem. Obviously the Gripen and F-16 are leagues above it but it can compete with the others with the R-73.
The ancient radar doesn’t allow good enough usage of R-77.
Horrible TWS, horrible chaff/notch resistance, absolutely garbage scan rate that’s worse than planes at 10.0 (Vautour 2N has better scan rate at 8.3)
The FM doesn’t allow using the capabilities of R-73 9/10 times.
The speed retention (or the lack of it I should say) doesn’t allow FOX-3 exchanges with a competent opponent. Because after notching a few times, you’ll fall out of the sky.
Look, I wanna love it and play it instead of complaining here, but it is utterly horrible.
And the planes we both agree it’s better when compared, are 13.3 (F-4F and Tornado 3) , think about that for a moment.
Hell, in a strictly BVR scenario, I think the F-4F is better if it is given enough time to accelerate and climb with it’s better radar and Aim-120
Are we playing the same aircraft? The radar is bad but its not that bad. The TWS works fine, I regularly use it and I can acquire targets easily. Its notch/chaff resistance is also fine I haven’t had much problems with it. They will always notch the missile first before the radar. Its like you only use TWS HDN. And yeah the scan rate is pretty bad but its not game ending.
But it does, the FM is shit but the Flanker has enough pull to get launch an R-73 offbore. You won’t be winning 100% of the dogfights you enter but at least you’ll have a chance.
How are you falling out of the sky after a few notches? Do you enter a missile joust with 700kmh of speed? The energy retention is bad but its not bad enough where you’re falling out of the sky after a few notches. As long as you maintain 1000kmh the Flanker doesn’t lose enough speed to be “falling out of the sky”.
honestly the F-4F KWS felt a bit better because it has 120s and doesn’t do that weird sticky rocking thing the Su-27SM does before you get new boosters
oh and the radar isn’t complete trash and the ACM works
I play the Su-27 in BVR and after everyone defends the oncoming SPAMRAAMs, I switch to a rat playstyle until the match progresses into a close range missile joust engagement. The Su-27 is especially good at rat playstyle because of the ET.
This discussion is entirely pointless. The number of players who legitimately know how to dogfight and are sufficiently experienced enough to do so without any major mistakes are so low… the common War Thunder player will be absolutely stunted on just because the Su-27 entered the merge a little slower on purpose.
The average War Thunder pilot lets players in far inferior aircraft pull stunts like this;
Pointless is saying that the plane is fine so long as your opponents are incompetent and don’t know what they’re doing. This isn’t even a war thunder thing. No matter what game or sport that you play, it isn’t a wise idea to pick a strategy built upon the premise that your opponent is bad. You’re in for a bad time if your chosen tactics fall apart if the opponent is at least your equal.
Interesting, devs see the model as most accurate to the game limitations. Implementing the paper Oswald number would mess up the vehicle instead of improve it.
No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying the aircraft is far better than most and equipped with some of the best ordnance. The vast majority of enemies have no idea what they are doing regardless. Putting yourself intentionally into situations where the enemy might have an advantage doesn’t even harm your performance much due to that fact.
