Maybe that’s true in simulation, but in realistic mode, anything that isn’t an F-15 or F-16C is mid-tier
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Lol no. Gripen has endless countermeasures with better radar and busted FM.
Mirage has MAWS with a good flight model that’s better than SU-27 FM and a better radar as well.
If you seriously think that SU-27 is better than Gripen C or Mirage 2000F I seriously don’t know what to tell you.
When everyone complains about Su-27, this includes J-11A. They are both flankers Sharing same garbage radar and flight model and the same missiles. Talking about it as if it’s a different aircraft is wrong. If Su-27 gets radar/FM changes, J-11A will too. J-11A just has old RWR, and radar with a little less range but has MAWS. The radars are exactly the same except range.
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What really separates the Flanker from the others is its missile set. It’s versatile, it can do BVR and it can do close range missile jousts. It also has the ET which are amazing.
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Useless dead meta. This isn’t 1300s England. Missiles jousts don’t matter.
And you are wrong, it can’t do close range “missile jousts”. The FM doesn’t allow the use of the capabilities of R-73 in 9/10 cases.
And it isn’t “versatile” any more than other top tier planes.
You want versatile? Get Mirage 2000F. TVC FOX3 along with magic 2s, better radar, better FM, MAWS.
F-16C is more versatile than the SU-27 will ever be.
It can dogfight great. 2nd best rater in the game.
1 circle? ✅
2 circle? ✅
Better radar? ✅
Better FM? ✅
Better Fox-3? ✅
“But Su-27 has R-73 amazing Dogfight missiles!!”
Bruh
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Missile jousts as in, close range Fox 3 exchanges. They happen every match as the game naturally progresses closer and closer.
Versatile as in, it can BVR with the ER, it can flank with the ET, it can chase long range targets with the ET, it can dogfight with the R-73, and the R-77 isn’t a terrible missile. All of which I’ve done.
Also when I say the Su-27 can dogfight, I don’t mean that its the greatest at it as you make it seem. Obviously the Gripen and F-16 are leagues above it but it can compete with the others with the R-73.
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The ancient radar doesn’t allow good enough usage of R-77.
Horrible TWS, horrible chaff/notch resistance, absolutely garbage scan rate that’s worse than planes at 10.0 (Vautour 2N has better scan rate at 8.3)
The FM doesn’t allow using the capabilities of R-73 9/10 times.
The speed retention (or the lack of it I should say) doesn’t allow FOX-3 exchanges with a competent opponent. Because after notching a few times, you’ll fall out of the sky.
Look, I wanna love it and play it instead of complaining here, but it is utterly horrible.
And the planes we both agree it’s better when compared, are 13.3 (F-4F and Tornado 3) , think about that for a moment.
Hell, in a strictly BVR scenario, I think the F-4F is better if it is given enough time to accelerate and climb with it’s better radar and Aim-120
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Obviously, the Gripen and F-16 and F-15C and Mirage 2000
Fixed it for you
Are we playing the same aircraft? The radar is bad but its not that bad. The TWS works fine, I regularly use it and I can acquire targets easily. Its notch/chaff resistance is also fine I haven’t had much problems with it. They will always notch the missile first before the radar. Its like you only use TWS HDN. And yeah the scan rate is pretty bad but its not game ending.
But it does, the FM is shit but the Flanker has enough pull to get launch an R-73 offbore. You won’t be winning 100% of the dogfights you enter but at least you’ll have a chance.
How are you falling out of the sky after a few notches? Do you enter a missile joust with 700kmh of speed? The energy retention is bad but its not bad enough where you’re falling out of the sky after a few notches. As long as you maintain 1000kmh the Flanker doesn’t lose enough speed to be “falling out of the sky”.
“IF” given time.
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How do you play the Su-27SM anyway. What do you do in an RB match?
Bruh
1400KMH at 6000-7000 meters is like 950-1000 KMH IAS. In 2 180* turns you’ll be down to 500 KMH
I don’t play it anymore. I’m done with it. Not gonna touch it in AIR until some major changes comes to it or AIR RB itself
Best success I had was playing rat mode, but that isn’t a strength of Su-27, any plane can do rat mode.
Spaded the F-15C on release day of the patch, but spaded the Su-27SM only today, in ground RB
Using it only in ground RB right now
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honestly the F-4F KWS felt a bit better because it has 120s and doesn’t do that weird sticky rocking thing the Su-27SM does before you get new boosters
oh and the radar isn’t complete trash and the ACM works
1000kmh IAS at 7000m altitude. Simulating 2 notches and 2 re-commits with 5 seconds in between.
Honestly they perform pretty similarly.
I play the Su-27 in BVR and after everyone defends the oncoming SPAMRAAMs, I switch to a rat playstyle until the match progresses into a close range missile joust engagement. The Su-27 is especially good at rat playstyle because of the ET.
The Su-27SM is a versatile plane.
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Doesn’t matter that I don’t know the exact numbers at the top of my head, the Su-27 has bad acceleration at altitude, and bad energy retention.
If you want we can test this FOX-3 exchange at altitude.
I’ll play F-15C
You can play the amazing Su-27SM
Missile that gets 1 tap missiled (yes not flared! Missiled!) Enemy fires Aim-120 and it follows aim-120 instead of enemy. Truly great
Literally not saying the F-15C and the Su-27SM are equal. I’m saying the Su-27SM is not trash. It can compete.
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If they know its coming, and sometimes its too late.
Gaijin, where? Cobra 110-120deg :(
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This discussion is entirely pointless. The number of players who legitimately know how to dogfight and are sufficiently experienced enough to do so without any major mistakes are so low… the common War Thunder player will be absolutely stunted on just because the Su-27 entered the merge a little slower on purpose.
The average War Thunder pilot lets players in far inferior aircraft pull stunts like this;
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