That’s certainly a take. Wrong, but a take nonetheless.
Why else is the F-22 Raptor supermaneuverable? To fight the British Tornado?
If I source this right now, then what?
Guess I don’t have to… Hey, I do appreciate your opinion regarding 6th generation ACE applications though!
@Smin1080p can you clarify for Ziggy that the tech mods often post the internal developer reply to a report and aren’t just making stuff up?
Additionally, is TrickZZter not a legal gaijin representative of some sort?
Also maybe something can be done about his discussion skills. Forum mods dropping the ball on this one, he’s only been banned like four times and even ban evaded once (but was caught and seems like nothing was done?)
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One of the requirements for the ATF was greater maneuverability than the F-15. Lockheed used thrust vectoring based on the experimental F-15 and F-16 programs that had vectored nozzles. Northrop/McAir solved the maneuverability requirement by using large rudder surfaces. Both solutions provided great maneuverability, but Lockheed’s solution was better at low speeds and they knew how to sell it to Congress. I think the F-23 would be better than the F-22 today.
The F-15 STOL/MTD was also used to demonstrate takeoff and landing from short areas.
Getting back to Suchoji, from the picture it looks like it’s not strictly speaking a 3D vectorization but a 2D angled one.
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Niche scenarios where supermaneuverability is beneficial assumes the enemy made several massive mistakes and you somehow still ended up defensive
Pretty much no scenarios where it can be used offensively (successfully) when the enemy hasn’t made massive mistakes. I really can’t think of any. You?
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Tech moderators are entitled to their own opinion. However, they are not legal representatives like @Smin1080p, who is management.
Regarding reports, when moderators speak directly for the Developer, they let it be known with “The developer would like to add” etc.
For example, here is a message from the developer straight to you, to please stop spamming reports about the JAS39.
@TrickZZter & @_David_Bowie are moderators. They help with the game & are critical to its quality of life. But are not legal representatives of Gaijin Entertainment.
Hope this helps.
What conspiracy are you on now?
No one is rule breaking, good sir. You are just projecting & claiming that Moderators are “Dropping the ball”??? Are you implying they are not doing their jobs?
Banned 4 times? Nonsense, that would imply there is favoritism.
You are undermining staff & challenging moderation publicly. If you feel moderation has made an error. There is a process. Posting in forum is not the place.
Hope this helps.
This is something I love to talk about Sukhoi stuff.
interesting.
I’ve gone through several Red Flag reports and pilot interviews and the supermaneuverability can be an advantage but also a disadvantage. Simple example: the Su 30 MKI and the F-15/16 on Red flag. In dogfights, the Indians lost surprisingly often because the Su 30 pilots would lose speed very quickly when maneuvering using TV and the American pilots would get into a position to destroy the Su 30 if they reacted correctly. So manoeuvres using TV have to be timed correctly, and that brings us back to the fact that it’s the pilot in the aircraft, not the aircraft itself.
The other thing is the use of helmet sights, which equalized the less agile aircraft to the more agile aircraft.
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This is evidence totally worth discussing & changing my position on. But blindly saying its useless (not saying you said this) is propaganda because Russia, US & China utilize these in their 5th generation fighters.
This is a very specialized combat capability of the 3 world superpowers in air-to-air combat. I am happy to see you take it a little more seriously & open investigation into it.
there is nothing supernatural about its aerodynamics.Moreover, its aerodynamic quality is worse than the Su-27. There is nothing surprising about the thrust vector either. Yes, the design solutions of the engine itself are very interesting
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Understood, & I agree.
It does not have quite the ability to control its side slipping like the Flanker.
Only one aircraft has a 3D TVC, this is the MiG-29OVT
I heard one negative thing about this aircraft was the poor visibility the canards induced. Nothing to do with performance. Read it was quite good iirc.
Btw… Why do you think they considered thrust vectoring in the F-15?? For 6th generation ACE application in 6th generation fighters? :)
Is there a video of the work?
So, since you, someone who is not a pilot, a combat pilot, or a Russian trained combat pilot cannot think of any scenarios. Means it’s never been used offensively ever?
Why would it be used offensively on non-supermaneuverable aircraft? Supermaneuverable aircraft turn better by default you do understand? Angles of attack 90 degrees and above is not the only benefit of the capability. Control and better conventional maneuverability increase besides alpha.
Are you implying the Soviet Union, Russia, China & the US invested in nothing?
Forget bug reports you better call your State representative & tell them they are making a huge mistake wasting your taxpayer’s dollars all these years on useless capabilities.
Probably an archive with lots of footage. It received the 3D nozzles while on loan to NASA. Prior to this it was using 2D nozzles, and there is also footage of that, but likely not during its early tests
Pretty cool. Did it pave the way for 6th generation ACE applications to reduce the runways lengths a few hundred feet well into the 2040s & beyond?
The F-15 program with thrust vectoring was specifically aimed at reducing takeoff and landing distance
Edit: *and increasing max takeoff weight
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That’s pretty cool! STOL you mean? :)
F-15 STOL/MTD
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