Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 1)

I am so excited. I do not care for any other jet. Unless Chinese flanker is released too.

Oh also the F-14 with a rear radar & aim54s

Hopefully these two will be the kings of BVR like they are supposed to be.

As you boys know, I believe the ER is heavily overperforming. Now that we have the R-77 coming I think we should honestly discuss it.

The R-27ER loses energy to the aim-120 because of control fin/rudder size & its massive weight.
The R-27ER has extremely heavy rocket rudder drives. Due to the large span of the rudders, their control unit weighs about 70 kilograms (that is, almost half of the American AIM-120 missile).

The Aim-120 is going to have a better acceleration and energy over the R-27ER every day of the week. If the ER is performing this good much better than the ET (ET is modelled correctly just not seeker) we are going to be in a world of trouble & the Aim-120 will overperform too & ruin the R-77.

I am afraid that the new Flanker is going to be outgunned because the ER is still set too high in acceleration & energy retention.

No. Bvr king in next update, will be F-15J MSIP and mirage 2000-5F

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Discuss it in “Remove R-27” or R-27 main thread, not here

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Yes, sir.

I do not want to remove it from the flanker though.

Anyway, are we actually going to get radar FOV modes & ranges now. Does someone have research done on this Mech version?

I have read pilots’ opinions on the Su 27 and MiG 29 in manoeuvre air combat. Unfortunately I can’t find the source anymore, but it was based on the fact that the MiG 29 is better at higher altitudes, accelerates better and is better in vertical, the disadvantage is the short range. It was an interesting read.
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The Su 27 SM is coming to WT, when was it introduced into service ?

2003

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So an F-15 can have an AIM-120, APG-63V1 or V2 AESA and a JHMCS helmet sight.
Sounds like it’s going to be a nice Su-27 vs F-15 battle.

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This game is not about time of service balance. But i think F-15C will be 63V1+ JHMCS

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You’re right, otherwise there couldn’t have been, say, a 1983 F-15A against a late 80s Su 27. The time of introduction is irrelevant.
So it’s hard to say what version they’ll put in, personally I’d want a better version of the F-15 hence the older Su 27, purely because I’m an Eagle fan. But otherwise I don’t really care.

The game is about combat rating…otherwise, the T-54 of the 1949 model would not have played against the Leopard-A1 and AMX-30, AMX-10RC with a thermal imager…And there would be a T-64A…

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I think we have to see how the TVC on the MICA performs, and how the AAM-4 is modeled first before we declare that. The AAM-4 has a large diameter, like the PL-12, and that causes poor performance in game as was seen on the last dev server. Both are supposed to be 120C type range missiles.

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to be fair more mass means more momentum, which means itll retain more energy, which means more range. you can bring a 10kg missile to mach 5 and have it immediately fall out of the sky because it barely has any momentum compared to a same speed 211.5kg R-27ER after its motor runs out.
the more momentum a moving object has the more that object wants to keep moving

J=Thrust*time

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You didn’t read the book well

I could be wrong, but that sounds like a launch failure. The radar is still is tracking the target but the missile fails to read the signal

If you don’t mind, around what page / what manual is that?

In case of failure of target tracking after the R-27Pl missile’s descent at short ranges, the pilot should vigorously turn to the target to provide illumination in the view mode due to radiation on the side lobes of the antenna pattern and perform recapture of the target.

That appears to be talking about when the missile has closed to short range and is being guided by the reflected radar energy rather than by datalink. This part is quite explicit in saying that datalink is not resumed:

5.6.5. If the RLPK target acquisition fails, after the missile leaves CSG and re-capture of the same target, the DNP mode for the launched missile is not resumed.

DNP mode is datalink

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Бортовой комплекс самолетовождения, прицеливания и управления вооружением самолета МИГ-29Б

DNP-Discrete-continuous illumination

Yes, (it’s just the CW signal + HPRF/MPRF to update the radar’s tracking) but the Datalink is encoded in that CW signal

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