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These are all derivatives of the Su-27, Ziggy also forgets about the MiG-29M.
What?
The Su-33 is a modification of the Su-27, the MiG-29M also has super maneuverability without OVT
how
The Su-33 is a cooler Su-27, and will not be considered an Su-27 for the sake of tarnishing its cool-ness.
How is the Mig-29M capable of supermaneuverability to the degree of its Sukhoi counterparts? It has far less effective control surfaces, does not incorporate a full airframe lifting body, and it still designed on the basis of prior MiG-29 models.
From that I doubt it could match them in performance in any similar realm.
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Su-33 much heavier ( +3t )
b-but canards!
That word gives me ptsd
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I don’t know, I’d imagine it would be quite loud
The Su-33 is much heavier than the Su-27 and maneuvers worse. The MiG-29M is not the same as the MiG-29, it is two different aircraft. Here is a demonstration of the MiG-29M2 converted from the MiG-29M tail number 154.
Here is a demonstration of the MiG-29K 9-31 marine version of the MiG-29M
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I don’t see anywhere near the level of performance given by Su-27s in similar exhibits, especially on the upward pull just after the timestamp linked.
The video will never tell you how many seconds it takes for a particular plane to gain a specific altitude or accelerate to a certain speed. However, he performs the Cobra and Bell maneuver in the same way
The smoke will, however, and I do not see it passing the 90dg threshold needed to constitute a cobra
The Su-27 also has smoke, it is difficult to assess the Cobra here, but it seems that the angle of attack is no more than 90 degrees. However, this is also a supermaneuverance
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Though not to the level as the Su-27 as I was saying, and not enough to constitute the action of a cobra
This is called dynamic access to supercritical angles of attack, Yes, the Su-27 allows you to reach an angle of 120 degrees, but it usually rarely exceeds 100-110
Mig-29M with TVC
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And as far as I can see, no non-tvc MiG-29 can match it in that regard
If you’re talking about aerobatics, then the Su-27 can’t do that without TVC