The data-mine compares the old file to new file and shows the difference.
Gaijin isn’t secretly changing flight models without it showing up in the datamine.
Everything you have claimed about the Su-27 flight model was just a byproduct of your own delusions. I have flown Su-27 in full real controls since it came out and have a lot more experience in it than you do.
The only person that is making the claim about a hidden change is you.
This will 100% definitely be implemented without any glitches or issues whatsoever. Amazing idea!
It is impossible to prove a negative.
The data-mine isn’t something that is published by Gaijin. It’s literally an analysis of the files in game that are changed.
The modeling parameters are in the files. This isn’t hard to figure out.
It is impossible for you to prove that datamine reports detect all and any changes developers do to any of the numerous models they have in their own game?
It is impossible for you to prove that datamine reports reveal all and any developer parameters that affect models in game?
It is impossible for you to prove that all and any changes to a model are immediately detected via datamine and you and those who conduct them are immediately notified?
Then why would you or anyone make such an outrageous unprovable claim? Do you have datamine tools? No??? Wow…
Do you only pretend to know all things on any given subject on the WT forum or is this a trait you carry daily?
You really think you got it all figured out, huh?
Don’t you, Feety?
Hello, joining back into the discussion just to clear something up.
You were the one to CLAIM that something has changed. You have NO proof that something changed, a lot of us told you that there is NO EVIDENCE that anything has changed.
Why is the burden of proof with us?! You claim something you back it up. Otherwise I can claim that I from this second forward are the President of my country. Wait you didn’t hear anything about that? Well I told you so the burden is for you to find an article SPECIFICALLY talking about how I personally did not become the new president.
Articles of who the current president is obviously don’t count because you don’t really think that the government can’t make changes without the public knowing, right?
That’s how insane you sound at times… The burden of proof isn’t with anyone else but you. Find the changes made, come back and proof it. Until you find definitive proof something changed, the Su-27 still has the same FM and I am still the king of my country.
WTF did I just have to write. I am going for a walk to clear my head.
WT is just a game, it has a few numbers ( literally) in common with reality and the rest is not. Be calm, enjoy the game. It’s not reality. By the way, does anyone know how long it takes to replace an AL-31F engine on a Flanker B ? You can find some very nice times on the F-15 and I’d be interested to see how this Soviet aircraft fared in comparison.
if I estimate correctly, then about the same as on the F-15
Its impossible for you to prove that Santa Claus isn’t real.
Its impossible for you to prove that Reindeer can’t actually fly.
It’s impossible for you to prove that a fat dude in a sleigh doesn’t use magical powers to deliver toys to children on Christmas Eve.
It’s impossible for you to prove that I am not actually Santa Claus.
I am Santa Claus.
Hey Santa! :D
I can only assume he’s still ranting about changes that never happened to support a point he was likely wrong about and has nothing to support. Why do we still reply? It’s clear troll feeding at this point. He’s done a great job at derailing the conversation every time we start discussing real issues.
On the topic of the Su-27, the Oswald efficiency is obviously too low… I don’t have any reason to believe this is correct but I saw we were onto something before we got rudely interrupted. What data do we have for a report to show the Su-27 bleeds energy too quickly?
I never once claimed without a shadow of a doubt anything has changed. I even went over those possibilities.
Yes, the burden of proof is on you people who believe datamine reports detect all and any model changes and reveals all developer parameters that can be manipulated that effect a models behavior and controls.
That they are powerless to change their own models and the way they behave without the public knowing.
I asked for one source.
(btw, I am still going to message you the proof you earlier asked for, just been busy. Give me an hour)
Yeah that isn’t the case.
First you set your own arbitrary limit of what high subsonic speed is with the lower end being 800 km/h.
You claimed Cobra was hard locked at 450km/h and that any slower it was not controllable. I conclusively proved that wasn’t the case with two cobra videos.
You claimed that all maneuvers associated with the super maneuverability moniker were impossible due to phantom changes apparently only you knew about.
Nope. I was referring to the Jan 18 changes the whole time as they were the last documented changes.
The quote is right there.
You pulled a cobra at 700km/h…which is lower than the low end of what you described as high subsonic speeds.
And airliner is used as an example of a plane that travels at high subsonic speeds.
It is performing identically to the way that it has been for the past month.
It has nothing to do with energy management; the F-16 and F-15 just have better sustained turning and energy characteristics. Super maneuverability is a gimmick of limited usefulness.
Also if you are such a full real controls expert why don’t you come show me how good you are in a sim match? I can set up a 1 v 1.
Every person following the thread can see you’re in the right, no need to continue feeding the troll. I made the same mistake some time ago in the MiG-29 thread and now it has 500+ comments where the problematic user never once posted a single source for their incredulous claims. The same thing is happening here. Baseless assumptions and phantom changes that only they could detect…
Lets get back to discussing the actual changes (the ones we can always see in the datamine)… and on what we can do to fix the FM. Entertaining the troll further is counter-productive and you’re letting him ‘win’ when you reply to him.
I wanted to check this thread out but all the comments are just “off topic” and real salty why is it always the same people making these threads impossible to read…
Here is a direct statement from a long time veteran dataminer. One who works with and learned directly from Gzabi.
Can we move on from this or you not satisfied? I am not permitted to go into details with anything beyond this. There are parameters you are not permitted to know of or be disclosed in datamine reports that very well alter the behavior of any given model in WT.
The Su27 is great in full real controls. Of course, it’s not going to maintain energy unless you are skilled in a dogfight over the F-16. The F-16 is designed and digitally augmented to maintain energy in turn rate and radius fight.
The Su27 is designed to be balanced (one of the best) in high nose authority and energy recovery. It does great in game. You are not supposed to fly it like an F-16.
Now can we focus on the radar? Or do you have issue with the flight characteristics?
If you want argue about nonsense with anybody for hundread messages fro some reason without any result, I beg you just pm him, no need to flood any theme just to other people reading this absolutely uninteresting dialogue.
As Fantom said.
All that matters is that at 800km-900km the ability to execute high angles of attack in full real to conduct aerodynamic techniques associated with supermaneuvrability is at this very moment a reality.
All that matters is that the wing rip threshold to be increased higher than Mach .75 when attempting supermaneuverable regimes and GJ has it set as far as Mach .80+ where it is at this very moment a reality.
These are characteristics were present on the dev server, however now with excellent fine tuning. Its lovely and dynamic deceleration is now tactically feasible in full real without falling out of the sky.
The developers have done an excellent job and no one had to tell them how to do it.
If any one of you has an issue with it,
Report it.