There is nothing to read, what you post is complete nonsense to the average forum user. These graphs mean nothing if you aren’t going to explain and compare directly from the manual with side-by-side footage of how it performs in the game.
If you can’t elaborate what the issue is in English there is nothing to discuss.
These are the graphs from the manual superimposed on each other
Posting a graph superimposed with another planes performance doesn’t show us that there is an issue.
Doing so is pointless, the primary source material is available. You went to the trouble of super imposing unknown sources but can’t record the in-game performance and log the data on the same chart from the source?
First, read what it was about, and only then draw conclusions
It’s impossible because you are not making sense. You’ve posted graphs. There is no in-game video or anything shown to suggest they do not perform to these values.
Further, your language barrier is preventing you from elaborating or explaining yourself. If you think there is an issue perhaps it is easier to discuss on the RU forum.
This, is something we can us as valid reference.
27 may have both 1C, 2C advantage under 400kts
15 may have both 1C, 2C advantage over 400kts
I assume current dev FM is quite fine-modeled
I don’t trust Russian sources for the F-15, we have the manuals for both. No need to use this chart.
Me neither, though this may have better validity than some “game based 3rd reference”. Aren’t we?
The graphs were given to show how much the Su-27 surpasses the F-15 and F-16.With the current FM, it’s clear that she’s a shit
When we have the manuals for both F-15 and Su-27 there is no need to use a Russian graph with performances of both.
Let us compare the primary manuals and the in-game performance. Currently the Su-27 out-rates the F-15 in-game as expected.
Ah I see, so now we get an empty weight of 16300kg, which is seems to be derived from the equation of “50% of normal fuel load” (2610kg of fuel) = 18920kg, where a normal fuel load consists of tank 2 (4160kg) and tank 3 (1060kg), at a density (γ) of 0.785 as told by the manual.
But still, from the same manual, how “50% of normal fuel load” (18920kg) + 2 R-27 + 2 R-73 would sum up to 20000kg is totally beyond me.
2xR27ER weighs about 700kg then you have the pylon weight then same goes for R-73x2 about 200kg and then add pylon weight
Ducky!!
20000- 2×253-2×105-2×97.5=19089кг
19089-16300=2789kg fuel
2789×2=5578
What corresponds to a normal refueling
this is still bothering me a lot, look at this mig, the guy gave the missile a lot of lead by pulling a lot of AoA and when he fires the missile, the missile follows a totally different trajectory to the direction the plane is pointing, the missile would have hit the other guy if it didn’t do this
i marked the video(maybe go back by 2 or 3 seconds tbh), just check, same thing that i shared last time
Dev server, if it is still an issue on live I will submit a report.
you can test the same thing in the live server rn, it will happen with the 29 if you try to pull max AoA with full reall to lead the missile and quickly shot, the missile will follow a weird trajectory, like i said , it seems that the pitch up it’s so sudden that the game still thinks the plane is in the initial position before the cobra maneuver, so the missile goes in the direction the plane was initially pointing, not the direction the plane pointed after doing the cobra.
also for some reason but that might be only my impression, it looks like the r73 has a little delay to start turning? not sure, but it shouldnt since it is a High Off-Boresight missile
And I don’t trust American resources, none at all, they are false in 99% of cases.
Should I stop using these graphs because of this?
Stop arguing, above we compared 2 aircraft, and not a discrepancy with the graphs.
The Su-27 should be much better than the F-15 at speeds up to ~1000 km/h, that’s a fact. This is not implemented in the game, it needs to be fixed.
We will receive current data about the aircraft no earlier than the next DEV server.
Sustained turn rates prior to the Su-27 Oswald efficiency buff last seen on the dev server.
As you can see, Su-27 even when loaded with 30 minutes fuel beats the F-15 in sustained turn up to 400 knots.
It should have even higher sustained turn now that it’s been buffed slightly.
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