I cannot find videos of the aircraft performing a cobra with substantial vapor. He and you both seem to agree it’s definitely a lower speed than I believe or would like.
I am the one that believes it is higher but have not found proof of it yet. I believe it’s around 600-700km like they had previously which allows for the aircraft to maintain altitude and course coming out of the maneuver. There is no recovery process when coming out of performing the cobra other than regaining speed after the massive deceleration.
There is flanker footage of it being able to pull above 60 degree alpha even close to 90 in other maneuvers and massive amounts of vapor are displaced. However, in game all substantial alpha is capped at 800km and the flanker just pitches up and climbs even at clean and min fuel.
I would like to find if this is realistic or a
Simple artificial limitation on the flanker for gameplay purposes.
You flew the plane? In that case I am obviously inclined to agree with the plane in that video being unmodified. Doesn’t necessarily mean that none ever were.
I find video evidence like this very hard to use as a good source since there can be too many variables we don’t know. Even the cameras own movement makes the maneuver look very different at times.
If we are talking about the MAKS Airshow. That’s where mostly experimental machines are used, i.e. pre-production ones. Yes, radar can be removed from them.However, an equivalent is installed instead. There are no specially reinforced aircraft for the airshow
Serial machines can also be used
You are taking out of your ass. ‘Super maneuverability’ is not a requirement for 5th generation fighters, namely the most prolific ->F-35
It also is likely not going to be incorporated on 6th generation platforms because it is a stupid marketing gimmick that only helps in minute amounts of flight regimes anymore.
It also serves no purpose in BVR combat or defeating radar guidance. Congratulations you have made yourself slow and helpless while barely defeating 1 missile, now the other 3-5 are going to have an even easier time hitting you and you have no response because you have trashed any useful kinematics you could give your missile launch. An F-pole does the same thing for defeating missiles and doesn’t throw away any capacity to respond.
Please pay attention I specifically said 5th generation air superiority/ air dominance fighters.
The F-35 is neither. It’s a multi role platform. I find this quite funny how angered you are about it when you are the one who actually does not have a clue.
Everyone knew I was talking about 5th generation air superiority fighters. Except you.
Ok, and how long have you been flying fighter jets? You graduate top gun or fighter weapons school? Why are you so hurt about this? Be mad at the soviets for developing the tactics. Be mad at the Americans, the Chinese and the Russians for making it a REQUIREMENT for 5th generation AIR SUPERIORITY FIGHTERS.
US F-35 pilots, pilots from all over the world say otherwise. Would you like footage of Lockheed test pilots and active-duty F-35 pilots discussing its role and specifically calling it a multirole fighter? That air dominance of the 5th generation is assigned to the F-22? Analyst from the pentagon, Russia and China declare its a multirole fighter. It has a weaker RCS with RAM coating that is of cheaper quality that degrades at high Mach numbers, that is why it’s capped at pathetic top speed of 1.6. It has no ability to outrun any Russian fighter nor is it designed to defeat 4th generation fighters in a dogfight. It cannot perform supermaneuverable techniques. It is nothing more than the 5th generation pick-up truck. A multi-mission workhorse fighter.
An amazing technologically advanced aircraft, but Air Dominance is not its specialty and that why is why it lacks the air superiority performance.
China and Russia are now developing their own cheaper work horse multirole stealth fighters too. both will have less air-to-air capability than the J-20 and Su57. Why? because they will be multirole fighters just like the F-35.
What?? That 6th generation fighters will not have the ability to perform maneuvers not possible with traditional aerodynamic techniques??? AKA supermaneuvrability?
Think again junior, 6th generation fighters will be a tailless delta pattern with insane thrust to weight and… thrust vectoring. They will by highly maneuverable aircraft. Because performance is critical in offensive and defensive purposes such as radar defeating techniques and of course dogfighting.
Why are you so bothered that I want to perform the cobra properly in full real? Can you explain that? Can you explain why you are so bothered about someone discussing a small deviation from realism in full real controls in regards to the su27 when the F-16 can do ungodly things in both full real and with instructor? It’s really weird to be so turnt up about a guy wanting to enjoy his Flanker’s aerobatic maneuvers in full real.
I don’t care whether you think it’s useless in gameplay or it’s not what they taught you guys when you attended the Top Gun academy.
Let’s just say I want to fly it privately as the jet was known to fly and make videos of it. How about this, I would like it to be as realistic as possible in full real for custom pilotage gameplay. Cool?
All I want to do is stimulate interest and research into the su27 and examine the current model in detail and discuss that with like minded individuals.
Vapors can appear on a plane that is hardly moving… the speed has nothing to do with this… only atmospheric conditions.
Even so, it fits the bill. It is one of very few fighters designed to be able to control itself beyond wing stall and airflow separation. 6th gens won’t be maneuverable (for the most part) mainly because it is a feature that doesn’t benefit their design, task, or purpose.
This is spot on.
Someone perpetuating the idea that the F-35 isn’t an ASF? lol!
Vapor clouds only form on maneuvering aircraft at 200 knots and above. It caused by pressure of airflow over the wings at angles of attack. Depending on how much vapor can be used to determine airspeed of an aircraft visually. Fighter pilots are trained for this and obviously weigh in atmospheric conditions in calculations as well.
It’s a multirole fighter and therefore it does not have all the specialized performances as other 5th Generation fighters who’s primary role is air superiority. Mach 2.0 capable, super maneuverability etc.
The F-35 does strike missions, it performs suppression of enemy air defenses missions. It can also perform close air support missions and is literally replacing the A-10. Do you call it a strike aircraft? Do you call it a close air support attack aircraft? WHY NOT? Because it’s a multirole fighter.
To be able to perform these roles the aircraft is not able to be equipped with the high performance of 5th generation air superiority fighters. That is why it is limited on air-to-air capability.
Thanks bro! I checked, I got translation subtitles. Been looking for good eastern documentaries on it. Tired of the generic western ones that don’t go into detail and only over history I already know.
It also performs CAP and is being upgraded to be able to hold just as many AMRAAMs internally as the F-22. It has better sensors and more situational awareness features which benefit an ASF. It directly replaced F-15Cs in the air superiority role, that is really the only evidence needed.
A rather controversial statement
The F-22 has remained an expensive and dead-end branch.The F-35 is a cheap alternative, though.But it is not without drawbacks.And the F-15, like the rest of the 4th generation aircraft, will still be in service for a very long time.After all, there are many factors in War, such as the speed of service, and the cost of it both in people and in money and time
