Radar of F-4S is horrible. You can hit with that radar maximally bots and only with really big luck some actual players because its really easy to supress. I have a lot of experience with MiG-23MLD and BR 11.7 Su-25 and its really great BR for USSR.
i played the su39 before the tomcat dropped and it wasn’t too bad, Did the MLD yesterday and it was godawful.
Also have you played the mig23 since the FM nerf? Losing 2 circle or more fights to F4S now.
Even after radar nerf. Not possible lost against F-4S in maneuvering fight with MLD. You did something wrong.
I mean im not a great player by any stretch, and im stock, but I dont think the 1 sec or whatever extra turn time is going to make that much of a difference.
Every time I didn’t kill an F4S first circle it pretty much just turned into an almost endless loop or never getting guns on each other until someone came and third partied one of us.
Also remember that already MiG-27M/K is on BR 11.7 so Su-24M wipl go probably to 12.0.
They are 11.3 along with the mig23m and mig21 BIS
If all this thing gets is IR missles I dont see why it wouldn’t be 11.3 like these, 11.7 is where we start seeing longer range/better missles on our planes.
IDK most people play RB for jets, unless you specify sim that’s what people are going to think.
Thats my bad not reading up far enough.
How are the avionics on it compared to the 27k? I flew that recently in sim.
That would explain why you think the F-4S radar is good and why you can’t outturn the F-4S. :D
In simulator is that radar really terrible and all F-4 have awful flying performance and problem with stability.
I mean i have to use the HMD in the su27sm not using the radar, so I dont see why you think HMD is bad. I’ve never had issue with getting a lock with it. Unless we are talking purely sim.
I am talking purely sim. I have no experience with RB at all. In the sim, the F-4S PD radar (and similar ones) only works for head-on attacks, which are very rare.
Well ya its easy mode in RB, you have nametags and you see them like 20-30km out and you can hover under it with hmd and its that easy.
Yep in sim you see only targets on radars or little dots out from windows in close distance. The moment you lock the target, the opponent goes into notching and in this maneuver waits until you approach or turn back so that he can then easily eliminate you. Alternatively, in this process, another opponent that you cannot see will eliminate you from the side. And believe me that MiG-23MLD is master of ambushes.
Ya I did some sim games in the su39 with the radar and that was fun, even though I was terrible.
I can see how something like HMD can be much more powerful in RB than in Sim, might try finishing spading the mig23’s in sim whenever they are top bracket, IRST and r24T looks like it would be fun.
That reminds me though how do you even identify friendlies with IRST? Do you have to switch on radar quicky?
i use radar for finding targets and identification…i only locks them for second to identify and see where they are and then i go full stealth mode with IRST
Thanks, sorry for dragging this a bit off topic.
So this thing only gets 4 r60m? Unless its got a lot to make up for it I don’t see it doing well above the other IR only planes like the mig 27 mig21 bis etc.
Yeah 4x R-60M but with better CAS abilities it should be much better than MiG-27M/K which are decent on that BR.
The good ending