Subject balance others nation: Petition to Equip Bison,Yak141,F20,J37D,SU39 with Fox 3 Missile example

[Shay]

The R-77 being added to it would be no more fanciful than any of those being in the game at all.

[Mathll]

@Shay-

@Shay-

it can get them

This is what I said, not that I want it to get them.

So we add them as carry but impossible to shoot

@Shay-

The R-77 being added to it would be no more fanciful than any of those being in the game at all.

I agree on this point but I don’t see why we would give preferential treatment to the USA and Russia again by giving them invented equipment. If we do anything with technologies, we do it for all countries or not at all.

[Shay]

@Mathll

So we add them as carry but impossible to shoot

I have already addressed this in full.

@Mathll

I agree on this point but I don’t see why we would give preferential treatment to the USA and Russia again by giving them invented equipment. If we do anything with technologies, we do it for all countries or not at all.

@AlvisWisla

Ho 229, Kikka, Arado 234 C-3, XP-50, Swift F7, J7W1, VB 10-02, SO8000 Narval, G56

[Mathll]

These are vehicles, here I’m talking about technologies/missiles. If you add fox3 for Russian and American planes that have not received any, you can also add some for planes from other countries

[Shay]

The Kikka and Swift F.7 never had guns. There you go.

[Mathll]

Well add some AIM-120s to them and they’ll be even better.

If we’re going to add anything and everything to planes, we might as well go all out. I can see a triple rack of AGM-65s under the HO-229.

Personally I am for maximum of realism in the game, planes that were never able to fight should not even be in it. On the other hand, if you want to go into fantasy, you might as well do it well

[RavenGuardMarine]

@RayLeight

In my humble opinion, I have the f20 and it is horrible to play because it does not have a chaff and it is too good a platform to downgrade. I don’t know where they got the fact that the F20 was a mockup since it is an F18 radar with integrated TWS. And with the full capacity of having the aim120, I don’t know how it affects you whether the F20 receives the aim120 or not.

I believe that having weapons equal to or worse than the Phantom does not justify its more expensive price. I reminded you that it costs 75 dollars. You have the f20 and can you speak as an f20 user?

an f5 platform with 45 countermeasures and an f18 radar, an f18 engine with worse equipment than the F4S with all the intention and capabilities of having an aim120. Does it justify its 75 dollars? I think not and it is not a solution to
downgrade it from br because the platform is quite good

But it doesn’t matter what you turn if you are facing a br where everyone has missiles superior to yours and fox 3 and with few countermeasures.

It has chaff? I’m confused what you mean.

[YaSen]

@AlvisWisla

G56

What about G.56?

[AlvisWisla]

It wasn’t armed IRL.

[RavenGuardMarine]

@Mathll

This topic is about adding missiles to planes that could supposedly carry them, to my knowledge the Yak-141 never carried an R-77 just as the F-20 never carried the AIM-120.
There is a document announcing a carrying of 14 “advanced missiles” for the Mirage 4000 and given the time of its development we can assume that it is Mica

You want it to be the case, nothing says so.

[YaSen]

Idk from where you’ve got such information, G.56 had armament installed.

[Mathll]

No, I was just using this example to show that putting in fancy weapons is not the solution, what I was trying to prove with this sentence is that unlike these planes (Yak-141, F-20) which were absolutely not capable of using these missiles, the Mirage 4000 was potentially able to fire them (this remains to be proven but the documents tend to go in this direction)

[RayLeight]

@Mathll

This topic is about adding missiles to planes that could supposedly carry them, to my knowledge the Yak-141 never carried an R-77 just as the F-20 never carried the AIM-120.
There is a document announcing a carrying of 14 “advanced missiles” for the Mirage 4000 and given the time of its development we can assume that it is Mica

Whether you like it or not, the moderators of the Yak 141 devblog had already stated that they were going to give it the R73 and the R77 when they were ready, but it seems that they forgot. I am reminding them. And regarding the F20, I invite you to read better and not just repeat the things they tell you.

[RavenGuardMarine]

@Mathll

No, I was just using this example to show that putting in fancy weapons is not the solution, what I was trying to prove with this sentence is that unlike these planes (Yak-141, F-20) which were absolutely not capable of using these missiles, the Mirage 4000 was potentially able to fire them (this remains to be proven but the documents tend to go in this direction)

How was it potentially able to fire them? If it remains to be proven, the default assumption is not that it could potentially fire them.

I don’t see how a statement of “it could carry advanced missiles” applies to missiles that finally began testing 3 years after its last prototype flight. But mockups on a plane were entirely for show.

If anything it means they ALL can’t use them.

[Morvran]

@RayLeight

Whether you like it or not, the moderators of the Yak 141 devblog had already stated that they were going to give it the R73 and the R77 when they were ready, but it seems that they forgot. I am reminding them. And regarding the F20, I invite you to read better and not just repeat the things they tell you.

Loadout options are always balancing decisions. It’s why aircraft like the Tornado F3 doesnt have Aim-9M and the Tornado F3 Late doesnt have ASRAAM to name but a few examples.

Do you really want the Yak-141 and F-20 at 13.3?

[KhorneFlakez1337]

Su-39 at 13.0 because it would definitely be more enjoyable if it had R-77s

[BasherBenDawg8]

@Mathll

The Mica program was initiated in 1982, so the Mica and the Mirage 4000 did indeed coexist

Initiated and production are completely different. If you want to go by those standards then the F-20 could carry the Aim-120A and the Yak-141 we have ingame can use the R-77 (since it’s added as a production variant).

[jet_17_49]

Don’t know about the R-77s but the Yak-41M getting R-73s would be neat.

[Flyingtower]

What about planes like the Bison that don’t even get that? Just regular R-27R? That piece of crap only gets 60 countermeasures and 2, count them! 2! R-73s! The R-27R and R-27T are useless at its BR and the airframe is obsolete. You can’t argue that the airframe is carrying the BR or that the missiles are. They are BOTH trash.