yeah it should go to 12.0
NAH 13.7 take it or leave it
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He has a point about base bombers that lacks speed. This is why I think AA capabilities of base bombers should probably be at the bottom of the “important” list when it comes to ARB.
From my experience playing them in ARB, I think speed should be by far the most important metric in determining their BR. Yes, you can have the fanciest bomb loads and AA weapons, but if you get beaten to the base your only chance of getting some RP is by basically fighting superior aircraft in their game, which will get your ass clapped more often than not.
Can’t even remember how many times I’ve been beaten to the base(s) by premium Tornados and was left practically useless flying a bus with wings.
We either need more bases or stronger bases, because currently base bombers that are on the slower end at their BR are often not worth playing.
This thing receiving R-60MKs instead of just receiving BR drop so it can actually not be last to the bases is criminal. Six uses of CMs certainly don’t help it’s case either.
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I agree. Though my experience of playing the tornado Gr1 in ARB is that I rarely get bases because of the F4s. It’s not an Su24 exclusive issue.
I think rather than trying to fight for Su24, tornado, jaguar, f-111, su17/22 etc etc buffs that might upset the balance, especially in a full downtier, that instead we should be fighting for ARB improvements or an RB EC gamemode.
SIM has none of these issues, tornado is really good usually
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Yeah it’s an never ending circle and this problem can’t be solved by just BR balancing, unless we get much more available BR steps than we do now, which isn’t likely to happen anytime soon.
I agree on that, making changes to ARB to help out all base bombers is better and probably easier to do than fiddle with BRs of dozens of aircraft.
f-111f 11.7 so i dont see a problem
F111f is way faster than the su 24m but then again this issue is way more complex than I initially thought so yeah
This could all be solved if gaijin just gave it 2x R73.
You get no HMD, no nose authority and no AA radar so it would be heavily limited but would still be better than the absolute dumpster fire that is the R60M
Still IRCCM missiles at 11.3. Yes it comparable to the Jaguar IS (though literally no one plays that) but when the Tornado IDS at 11.7 dont even get IRCCM (and dont have HMD, minimal nose authority and no AA radar (though one has been reported)), then it would suck if it remained at 11.3. Su-24 with 2x R-73 would probably be 11.7 at a minimum, which would probably just make its issues worse as it would be pulled up into 12.7 matches all the time.
Honestly it’s worse. Far worse.
Magic 2 can close in the distance very quickly so it makes its IRCCM a lot more effective
Plus it can actually pull so it can aim at targets and even lead the missile if you have to
The Su-24 will even struggle to get the nose on for a lock
Would honestly be worse than the Su-25BM/T in terms of R73 effectiveness
And worst case scenario, it only carries two missiles instead of 4 that the Su-25BM does
i think better solution is to give it r73 it used as most modern su24 variant and put it at like 11.7 if it will be broken at 11.3, that i really doubt bcs its a flying boat, like f111 but slower