You just don’t know that the S-400 exported as part of the complex is equipped with radars and missiles that are purchased separately.
Since 1951, we have had RTV troops whose radars are not exported, and some Radars may also be included in the air defense group in the theater of military operations, some of them are sold in the export version, the other part is not sold… Радиотехнические войска Российской Федерации — Википедия
In addition, you never take into account the range of the aircraft (you always assume that this is something similar to the war zone around Israel)…
For example, we can see which planes take off from airfields in Poland and Romania and even further away, and the opposite side that takes off from Saratov airfields!
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and this still doesn’t change the fact that f-22 is air superiority and f-35 and su-35 are multirole
you’re simply trying to change the argument around how a battlefield would look around in x and y conditions between z and e countries in your imaginary scenario and anyone can argue anything about it and how the battle would look like
in the end regardless, f-22 is an air superiority fighter and f-35 and su-35 are multirole
I just know from the experience of the current conflict, but you don’t…
And the US advisers know, but they don’t tell you…
So forget everything that was written before 2022 about NATO scenarios (they didn’t work)…
If you want to use the F-22 against the country leading in rare earth metals, use it, but keep in mind that you still have to reach it!..
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yet the f-22 is still an air superiority fighter regardless of how much you try to derail
Let’s see…
- First post on the forum
- Clickbait title
- Assertions to the otherwise in title (false)
- Post is full of speculation
- Post is full of logical fallacies
Despite that, it seems like an actual serious attempt. Like, well done for trying to manufacture a coherent argument, but Jesus did it fall apart. This whole thing winds up reading like a cope post.
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So use it to attack ground targets!..someone is interfering or holding hands…
They made a mistake with the fighter programs!..
Back to the F-15, who’s to blame?
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derailing,
I wrote it a long time ago…You will use it as a standard bomber!
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You do get that the fairly limited A2G stores that the F-22 carries are intended to permit it some limited ability to self-escort / force-protection, and shorten the kill chain for targets of opportunity. Since the; B-52 / F-117 / B-1 / B-2 and now the B-21 (and I’m sure others may exist), while having their own strengths are plainly not well suited to dealing with the expected threat profile of a generic; CAP, Counter-Air (and various other taskings within the F-22’s mission set) flights for what should be fairly blatantly obvious reasons so some capability in reserve is fairly wise considering that the enemy also gets a vote in the way casualties occur and are prioritized, and having similar airframes simplifies planning and logistics.
And as it’s fairly unlikely that a premeditated offensive maneuver would be composed solely of un-supported F-22s, so it should still remain possible for it to hand hand off targets to other airframes(though any one of the multitude of channels that exist), within reason.
Only one member of a four-ship flight might be Carrying a single bay’s worth of SDB-II / SAP or GPHE JDAMs each. To increase the flexibility of the flight in response to unpredicted circumstance or a take care of a particular premeditated target, that might be time sensitive and so not amiable for other airframes for a host of potential reasons.
We’re well past the point in the cost & performance cycle where an interceptor airframe was necessarily required to sacrifice capability as part of size and weight concessions for the required capability at altitude.
Also as the force structure of the US, lead it to need to be able to operate outside of the sphere of influence of NORAD (Homeland defense), as seen with the F-106 & F-16A-15ADF. The assumed benefit of a pre-prepared network, redundant lines of communication, radars and practical training in the relevant warfighting environment could no longer; be assumed and in the face of an evolving threat profile that has actively responded to developments made on that front (as static defenses could be mapped, and avoidant routes of ingress planned in advance) and as such it’s impact as a mitigating factor was minimized.
I’m sure the F-22 would get the chance to shoot things down if actually were to push their luck against the USAF, the issue is that it’s the Navy (& USMC) and Army that tends to be deployed offensively and as such get “first shot” at most of anything that actually takes to the air, since the F-22 deployments tend to be clustered around fairly important locations.
Does the MiG-31 suddenly become “not an interceptor” because it can launch guided Air to Surface munitions?
I’ve also seen various fairly weak and unsubstantiated claims (assorted un-attributed blogs &
“concept art” of nebulous provenance, etc.) that the Su-57 can carry various bombs and Air to Surface missiles (mainly for Anti-Radiation, SEAD / DEAD use).
Many airframes will see later revision to increase flexibility since having trained pilots sit around when they don’t have to is a waste, also provides fewer opportunities to truly test them due to the narrow scope of their mission, since any sort of actual deployment significantly assists with performance, and professional development even if it is in a fairly controlled and low risk environment.
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it’s sarcasm
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Really? Here in US F-15EX is known to be replacing the F-15C/D
Maybe replace some F-15E later on but not yet.
It’s clear that you haven’t read all the messages…
The F-15EX is multi-purpose, so it will bomb and it doesn’t matter that it changes the F-15C/D/…
I don’t quite know how to word this without upsetting everyone but you’re all wrong. Both aircraft are highly classified and considering they’re the “biggest sticks” in each air force I’d take all of the information online with a massive mountain of salt. You’re only going to find out what they want you to know.
Neither aircraft will be used in any war unless they’re massively needed. If the US went to war with Iraq once again with all of its previous capabilities they still wouldn’t use the F-22, it’s the same with Russia and the Su-57 I very highly doubt there’s any in Ukraine right now… why?
Propaganda, also fear.
Imagine the blow to US pride if an F-22 got shot down over Russian friendly territory and it was a confirmed shootdown by Russian based equipment. Just like that the “invincible!” F-22 becomes a bit of a laughing stock despite its capabilities. It’s the same with the Su-57. Goodbye export sales if an F-16 takes it out of the sky.
Another part of fear is reverse engineering technology from downed aircraft.
Each aircraft is impressive but in my honest opinion they’ll only be hangar queens and the potential boogeyman to any nation that may think about a possible air war with the US/Russia.
The most important aircraft in the world right now are those that will actually go to work and do the heavy lifting. The 4th gens.
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Guys I will start addressing your comments, and explaining more. It’s been a little while, at the time I had reached the limit of how many messages I could send in my first 24h; then I just went away after that. I really want to address this properly, of which I also admit I was rude and childish at times during arguments I apologise, it was immature.
I can’t edit the post anymore, I’d like to mention since I sort of pulled strings from a couple areas to bring it together, stating the source for every little thing is overkill. SO, if you want a SPECIFIC source confirming something SPECIFIC i’m more than happy to share.
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This wasnt the main reason for f117 poor flight performance
it was the lack of afterburners, poor shape, older flight control systems and the fact there was a piece of airframe literally blocking the engine from behind
in the case of su57 it isnt as dense as a f117, it was made aerodynamic to not disrupt airflow.
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that thing in middle has the radar, drag chute. flare/chaff dispensors
and the image you sent down there seems fake, its some other jet in the original pic. this is also strengthened by the fact that its using the prototype paint scheme instead of the usual serial one
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yup already sorted previously
I didn’t share the pictures, someone else did
They were 2 of them, one with what is quite clearly a Su57, and the other with what seems to be a F-22
They’ve been arguing about which is fake and which isn’t. For my part i don’t really care. Either way seems possible. I have no problem believing a Su57 could track a f22, most planes with IRST could in theory do it. The only problem i have with this hypothesis is, if there is a photo, when and where did it happen ? I don’t seem to recall any encounter between those aircrafts. Baltics maybe ?
any radar can track anything at a certain distance, as long as it exists.
while i agree su57 radar set is unique, its main x band radar is a bit ehh, 1536 tr modules
i believe once it gets the al51 it will get a new set of radar because many reports were there that the n036 radar system were bottlenecked by the al41
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Yea nowadays that thing has a Chute. In one of the early variant it did have a radar. Named Epolet-A was the first Russian AESA radar. In old T-50 you can see the Radiation sticker on the “sting”. Now They don’t even mention it anymore. But was a thing at the time that even Piotr Butowski talk about it.
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