Su-35 in War Thunder

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In fact , they have.
The actual top tier for US should be like this.
F-15C MSIP II → F-15C (AN/APG-63(v)3 AESA
F-15E → F-15E (AN/APG 82(v)1 AESA → F-15EX
F/A-18C late → F-14D (APG-71/AIM-54C+ dual plane etc. ECM resistance etc.) → F/A-18E BLOCK I (APG-73) → F/A-18E Block II (APG-79) → F/A-18 BlockIII (2021) (APG-79) - { by pilots, F-14D was better than F/A-18E Block I in …everything , so you can even change what goes where} .
F-16C Block 50 → F-16C ( USAF F-16s don’t use a Block number or letter currently , but sport the equipment of F-16V…call it F-16C Very Late , i don’t know ) .

We don’t really need to go 5th Gens. Too much classifieds , too much wikiguestimation , up to gen 4,5 is perfect and they are operating side by side with gen 5s anyway…

About Su-35S , they can bring it tomorrow , it’s not that they we don’t have other gen 4,5s.
Just have their weapons /radars to an as much equivalent as possible version (version , not state-not everything the same) .
Also,
MiG 29SMT → MiG 29M ->MiG 35S

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wouldnt fix issue with lack of BFM capability, in game where BVR is entirely useless if enemy has braincells

same as before, useless.

14D isnt toptier material even, especially with only AIM-54(even tho theyre better than previous, gaijin simply doesnt want to change them)

if youre talking about AESA on USAF F-16C - program itself named RMP

same as for current planes mostly, especially in weapon part

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F-16E and F-16V exist tho

The Eagle II has better engines than the Strike Eagle, would help a lot

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both of them are export
gaijin might just not add them at all

nope, in case of perfomance theyre mostly same
if USA will put GE-132 here - yes.

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Raw thrust yes, but combined with the advanced fly by wire it’s significantly more maneuverable

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nope, flight perfomance is still same
maybe a bit easier to handle

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That contradicts every source I’ve found on internet, what tells you that?

EDIT: most*

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My opinion, we wait Su-35S at least 5 or 6 years.

but gajin might add Su-30SM2 from russian navy to 1st line before Su-35S from russian air force, I think 🤔

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just because aerodymanics is same

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According to what I found, the fbw allows a much more optimized attitude which increases maneuverability and reduces energy bleeding

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The Fbw can’t change the aerodynamics of a plane

It is like you trying to download a better CPU if you belive the Fbw can improve aerodynamics

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Ok , my point is that there are some planes yet to come. I don’t say if they are good or bad.

14D is not top tier of course. As before i’m stating what’s missing… However, at some point they will fix the missiles. They update the game as it goes.
F/A-18E Block III would be top tier and equivalent to EF2K/Rafale/Su-30/35 etc.

Yeap, this one.

Yes and no… They have other things going like Stealth , reduced IR signature etc. Sure , even 4,5 Gen are guestimations for the most part. But let’s see which planes are 5 gen currently : F-22/F-35 , Su-57 and J20. Which makes it… one multi-role/primarily strike aircraft -F-35 that most nations may have in game , a "we don’t know much and there is not many in numbers " Su-57 (i don’t say good/bad ) and a questionable J20. F-22 we know wikipedia/ what’s advertised as well…
I don’t know… doesn’t see a hint of balance. Not even as much as 4,5s.

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Su-35S and PLAAF Su-35 could be added yesterday.

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The fbw doesn’t change the aerodynamics themselves but the behavior of the aircraft and you can’t deny that more optimized maneuvers save energy and improve maneuverability, and the new fbw is partially meant for that

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F4f ICE to EFT lol

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Su-30Sm has fixed a lot of Russia’s issues at top tier, it caries a huge amount of missiles has good performance and an amazing Radar.

Su-35 would take that to another level similar kinematics to the Euro canards an even better radar and similar payloads.

I do think the major winter update we will see an F-15EX and a Su-35

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Yeah, but for modern planes (2000s+) the FbW are so advanced the algorithms there predict pilot’s intention and will make for the best control surfaces orientation possible regardless of the stick/pedals not being at optimal position, and each year they become better.

IIRC Hornets will make rudder corrections even if you don’t touch the pedals at all, F22 can engage constant G-turns, TVC aircraft (Flankers, F22) can do corrections to compensate for trim drag, all of that automated.

As for the game, I know mouse aiming calculates best roll/pitch/yaw rates to get to the cursor position, but I’m not sure how they’d fit best sustained turns, constant G turns, etc., into the aiming system when you need to keep dragging your mouse around.

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I mean, you can already do all of that with a hotas + trim. Trim turning is a thing. So, these FBW improvements shouldn’t make a difference.

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F15ex, f16c block 70, f15c Aesa, f/a18e/f/a18c aesa upgrade. Aim120c or c5, aim9x.

We DONT need 5th gen platforms

Almost forgot f16xl

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The F-14D implemented correctly (with AMRAAMS and correct Phoenix) would sit comfortabley at 14.0. Amazing Radar, Flight Performance and Speed. On par RWR and Survivability, and most importantly Situational Awareness with RIO functionality. (Yes I’m well aware the RIOs will probably never change, but I can dream, ok?)